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Bible Worship?

Tau

Well-Known Member
It seems the words of dead men mean more to monotheists than those of the living.

We can argue about the validity of the Bible or the Torah or the Quran all day long...but to me it seems like your Gods have grown shells, imprisoned between the pages...

Is it not idolatry to declare a mere book God inspired and holy in it's own right?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
It seems the words of dead men mean more to monotheists than those of the living.
They don't to me. The words of living prophets who speak to people of this age are essential to our understanding of any ancient writings. If I were going to war against an enemy and could choose to have at my disposal a collection of books on military strategi or a living military strategist who understood the enemy I was to be fighting, I'd take the living strategist over the collection of books any day. If I could have both, so much the better.

Is it not idolatry to declare a mere book God inspired and holy in it's own right?
I'm not sure why it would be idolatry to consider a book to be inspired. To consider that book to be a higher authority than its author, though, seems to me to be stupidity.
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure why it would be idolatry to consider a book to be inspired. To consider that book to be a higher authority than its author, though, seems to me to be stupidity.

I should have added...'and utterly empirical'.
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
The lack of response is either due to the boring subject matter or the lack of ability to counter my statements.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
It seems the words of dead men mean more to monotheists than those of the living.

We can argue about the validity of the Bible or the Torah or the Quran all day long...but to me it seems like your Gods have grown shells, imprisoned between the pages...

Is it not idolatry to declare a mere book God inspired and holy in it's own right?
Hello Tau

The men that wrote the bible are 'dead', but the one that interprets it is not. God.

God is not interpreted by the bible, the bible is interpreted by a living God.

Its god that makes the bible make sense, not the bible that makes god make sense.

Heneni
 

Smoke

Done here.
God is not interpreted by the bible, the bible is interpreted by a living God.

Its god that makes the bible make sense, not the bible that makes god make sense.
Then isn't the Bible superfluous?

If it doesn't make sense without god, and if you need god to understand the truths of the Bible, then what's the point of the Bible?
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Then isn't the Bible superfluous?

If it doesn't make sense without god, and if you need god to understand the truths of the Bible, then what's the point of the Bible?

The bible is about god. But god is the truth.The bible only attempts to put those truths on paper, but the understanding of the truth, is called revelation, and revelation does not come without the spirit of god revealing such.

The bible is usefull in the sense that it puts us on a road of discovering truths, but without the interpreter of these truths, god, the words in the bible will only remain words unless god reveals the meaning of it, which we call revelational knowledge, or some would call enlightenment. Enlightenment results in a change of character, simply reading the words in the bible results in knowledge, which can be unfruitfull and bring no change of character.

I do believe that it is possible to be enlightend or recieve revelational knowledge without the bible, yet it is what god uses often to bring revelational truths to us. Reading the bible will tell you stuff about god, but when the word become a revelation, god reveals himself to us. There are many other instruments that god can use to bring revelational knowledge or enlightenment.

Heneni
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
How strange.
People who can't answer my thread nonetheless still make pointless comments intended to attack instead, why don't they realise that this is a 2 way thing and if we all degenerated into name calling and labelling 'pedantic posturing Tau' for example there would be no debate at all.

These people are the antithesis of open debate and free speech...
 

Dunemeister

Well-Known Member
On a Christian view, God Himself has ultimate authority, which he has invested entirely in His Son, Jesus Christ. The bible MEDIATES that authority. Thus the bible is the Christian's penultimate authority. It's not been made entirely clear how a book that is mostly narrative is supposed to have authority, however. For instance, the biblical book of Kings is supposed to authoritative for Christians, but what does it mean for those stories to mediate God's authority over me? It's really strange.

The best account I've heard to date is that the bible is like a five-act play in which the first four acts are presented to us, along with the beginning of the fifth act and some author's notes about how the play is going to end up. Our job as Christians is to creatively act out the play in such a way that it makes sense in light of what has gone before and coheres with the sketchy ending indicated by the author.

Luckily, the author's best friend, who knows the author and his intentions for the play perfectly, is always available to the actors. He sometimes shouts instructions during rehearsals. Sometimes he stays silent for a while as the actors work things out independently. Sometimes he helps the actors understand the script. Sometimes the actors approach him for help and inspiration.

So that's the general picture of how the bible -- the play -- and the Holy Spirit -- the playwright's best friend -- together mediate the authority of God for Christians. Remember this is only something of a parable or an analogy, not a literal account of what I think is going on.
 

Tau

Well-Known Member
On a Christian view, God Himself has ultimate authority, which he has invested entirely in His Son, Jesus Christ. The bible MEDIATES that authority. Thus the bible is the Christian's penultimate authority. It's not been made entirely clear how a book that is mostly narrative is supposed to have authority, however. For instance, the biblical book of Kings is supposed to authoritative for Christians, but what does it mean for those stories to mediate God's authority over me? It's really strange.

The best account I've heard to date is that the bible is like a five-act play in which the first four acts are presented to us, along with the beginning of the fifth act and some author's notes about how the play is going to end up. Our job as Christians is to creatively act out the play in such a way that it makes sense in light of what has gone before and coheres with the sketchy ending indicated by the author.

Luckily, the author's best friend, who knows the author and his intentions for the play perfectly, is always available to the actors. He sometimes shouts instructions during rehearsals. Sometimes he stays silent for a while as the actors work things out independently. Sometimes he helps the actors understand the script. Sometimes the actors approach him for help and inspiration.

So that's the general picture of how the bible -- the play -- and the Holy Spirit -- the playwright's best friend -- together mediate the authority of God for Christians. Remember this is only something of a parable or an analogy, not a literal account of what I think is going on.

A like that answer, the monster is appeased...:D
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I have other options sojourner but I doubt you want to hear them...
Does one of them include actually taking the time to delve into the religious mind set? That's the only one I'm interested in. Until that option is set in motion, my analysis stands...
 

tomspug

Absorbant
It seems the words of dead men mean more to monotheists than those of the living.

We can argue about the validity of the Bible or the Torah or the Quran all day long...but to me it seems like your Gods have grown shells, imprisoned between the pages...

Is it not idolatry to declare a mere book God inspired and holy in it's own right?

Worship itself can be defined many ways, but to a degree I agree with you. However, I think that people that "worship" the Bible only do so not because the Bible itself is not complete or good enough to adhere to but because they simply do not understand God. In other words, people that "worship" the Bible haven't done a good job of actually reading it and following it.

I think that it is a tough argument to make that God is, in any way, imprisoned by the Bible, especially if one has either not read it or read it and not understood it.

The reason people adhere to the Bible so much is because they view it as a "living" book, "living" because many struggle to find an aspect of their lives that the Bible DOES NOT satisfyingly address. There is much more division within churches over what the Bible DOES NOT say rather than what it does.

The Bible is not authoritative because the church tells people so. Christians consider it authoritative because they READ it and afterwards come to the conclusion that it is authoritative. This is at least the case for me.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Worship itself can be defined many ways, but to a degree I agree with you. However, I think that people that "worship" the Bible only do so not because the Bible itself is not complete or good enough to adhere to but because they simply do not understand God. In other words, people that "worship" the Bible haven't done a good job of actually reading it and following it.

I think that it is a tough argument to make that God is, in any way, imprisoned by the Bible, especially if one has either not read it or read it and not understood it.

The reason people adhere to the Bible so much is because they view it as a "living" book, "living" because many struggle to find an aspect of their lives that the Bible DOES NOT satisfyingly address. There is much more division within churches over what the Bible DOES NOT say rather than what it does.

The Bible is not authoritative because the church tells people so. Christians consider it authoritative because they READ it and afterwards come to the conclusion that it is authoritative. This is at least the case for me.
Some people do replace God with what is written about God. But that is neither the stance of most Christians, nor the position of any legitimate community of Christians. The proper dynamic is that God binds God's Self to us in covenant. In response, we bind ourselves to God. the Bible is the tool we use to build that covenant relationship, to define it, and to recognize it.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I would say that bible worship is:

1) Viewing the Bible as inerrant or infalliable

2) Understanding that God does not speak, move, or act today as in the Bible.

Interestingly enough, one can worship the Bible and yet be criticized for viewing it as the record of a once powerful God.
 

Nessa Nenharma

Goddess of my Domain
It seems the words of dead men mean more to monotheists than those of the living.

We can argue about the validity of the Bible or the Torah or the Quran all day long...but to me it seems like your Gods have grown shells, imprisoned between the pages...

Is it not idolatry to declare a mere book God inspired and holy in it's own right?

Yes, it would appear to be as such. Speaking from a former Baptist POV I would say the Bible was sort of like an idol. I was told that no other book could be placed on top of it, you weren't suppose to write in or "dog-ear" the pages. It was as if the Bible was the physical representation of God. Why else would we use the Bible in the US courts system to : "Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God.", if people didn't think it was a reflection of a higher power :)

:bb:

Nessa
 
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