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The alphabetic acrostic of Genesis 1 & 2:

The Palace of Beth (2).
‎“1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2. The earth was formless and void, and ‎darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the ‎waters. “‎

The two Palaces of the Aleph (1).
‎“3. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4. God saw that the light was good; and ‎God separated the light from the darkness.”‎
‎ “5. God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was ‎morning, one day.”‎

The path of Gimel (3)‎.
‎“6. Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters ‎from the waters.” ‎
‎“7. God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the ‎waters which were above the expanse; and it was so.” ‎
‎“8. God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.”‎

The path of Shin 3‎.
‎“9. Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land ‎appear”; and it was so. “‎
‎“10. God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it ‎was good.”‎

Dalet 4‎.
‎“11. Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation: plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth ‎bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. 12. The earth brought forth vegetation, ‎plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God ‎saw that it was good. 13. There was evening and there was morning, a third day.”‎

The path of Tav 4‎.
‎14. Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the ‎night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; 15. and let them be for lights ‎in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16. God made the two great ‎lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; ‎

The Path and Palace of the Heh (5)‎.
He made the stars also. 17. God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the ‎earth, 18. and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and ‎God saw that it was good. 19. There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Vau 6‎.
‎20. Then God said, “Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the ‎earth in the open expanse of the heavens.” 21. God created the great sea monsters and every ‎living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after ‎its kind; and God saw that it was good. 22. God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill ‎the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”‎
‎23. There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.‎

Zayin 7‎.
‎ 24. Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and ‎creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind”; and it was so. 25. God made the beasts of the ‎earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its ‎kind; and God saw that it was good.‎

Cheth 8‎.
‎26. Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over ‎the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over ‎every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27. God created man in His own image, in the image of ‎God He created him; male and female He created them. 28. God blessed them; and God said to them, ‎‎”Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the ‎birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”‎

Teth 9.
‎29. Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the ‎earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30. and to every beast of ‎the earth and to every bird of the sky and to everything that moves on the earth which has life, I have ‎given every green plant for food”; and it was so. 31. God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was ‎very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Yod 10‎.
‎ 1. Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2. By the seventh day God ‎completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He ‎had done. 3. Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His ‎work which God had created and made.‎

Kaph 20‎.
‎4. This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD ‎God made earth and heaven. 5. Now no shrub of the field was yet in the earth, and no plant of the ‎field had yet sprouted, for the LORD God had not sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to ‎cultivate the ground. 6. But a mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ‎ground. ‎

Lamed 30‎.
‎7. Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath ‎of life; and man became a living being. ‎

Mem 40‎.
‎8. The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He ‎had formed. ‎

Nun 50‎.
‎9. Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good ‎for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and ‎evil.‎

Samekh 60‎.
‎10. Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four ‎rivers. 11. The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is ‎gold. 12. The gold of that land is good; the bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13. The name of ‎the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole land of Cush. 14. The name of the third river is ‎Tigris; it flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.‎

Ayin 70‎.
‎15. Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. ‎‎16. The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17. ‎but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from ‎it you will surely die.”‎

Peh 80‎.
‎18. Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable ‎for him.” 19. Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, ‎and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living ‎creature, that was its name. 20. The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and ‎to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him. ‎

Tsade 90‎.
‎21. So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ‎ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. 22. The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He ‎had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.‎

Qoph 100‎.
‎23. The man said,‎
‎“This is now bone of my bones,
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”‎

Resh 200‎.
‎24. For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall ‎become one flesh. 25. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.‎”
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Note: the Zohar referencing nun as deception is supposed to be 180b.... But

180b is missing from the famous 5 volume English translation... both the original red volumes and the reprints. I have 2 other versions in my collection tho...
 
Genesis 1:31

וירא אלהים את כל אשר עשה והנה טוב מאד ויהי ערב ויהי בקר יום הששי׃
And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning— the sixth day.

ט֖וֹב וְהִנֵּה עָשָׂ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר = 365 : everything that he had made and very good.

When you see the כל in the midst of a line, count everything after it until you come to the next logical stop, which in this case is the rote phrase "and there was evening and there was morning..."
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
@Bethsheba Ashe ,

So I'm coming up many possible reasons nun is missing from psalm 145. I'm just curious, I won't criticize, do u have any ideas on this?
 
Note: the Zohar referencing nun as deception is supposed to be 180b.... But

180b is missing from the famous 5 volume English translation... both the original red volumes and the reprints. I have 2 other versions in my collection tho...

I don't think anyone really knows why the nun is missing, but perhaps since the Nun concerns both life and death, the author of 145 didn't think a letter that partially represented death was appropriate to include in his praises?
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Here is a good answer for the missing nun in Psalm 145:

"The letter "Nun" stands for the word "nefilah," which means "falling." This word has a negative connotation, since it is used regarding the fall of the Jewish people, as it is written, "She [the Jewish people] has fallen (nuf'lah), no longer will the maiden of Israel stand again" (Amos 5:2). Therefore King David did not include this letter."

Nevertheless, King David did include a positive-connotation "nun" in the following verse, which reads: "The Almighty supports all the fallen ones (ha-noflim)..." (Talmud - Brachot 4b)

hyperlink >>> aish.com - Ask the Rabbi
 
I have a question for people to ponder in their quiet moments today:

Why do the names of Sarah, Hagar and Isaac all have the same value of 208?
שָׂרָ֖ה Sarah 208,
הָגָ֖ר ‘Hagar’ 208;
יִצְחָ֑ק ‘Isaac’ 208;

Happy Passover! :)
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
I have a question for people to ponder in their quiet moments today:

Why do the names of Sarah, Hagar and Isaac all have the same value of 208?
שָׂרָ֖ה Sarah 208,
הָגָ֖ר ‘Hagar’ 208;
יִצְחָ֑ק ‘Isaac’ 208;

Happy Passover! :)
Very interesting... and thought provoking. I thank you.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
That was a really cool video... had not seen those connections before. I think the connection to wisdom in the beginning merits posting here. I'll try to find the text from the Talmud that the video was speaking about.

But till then; Here is one of my favorite Einstein quotes. maybe you have heard it already?

Screenshot from 2019-04-20 15-43-09.png
 
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That was a really cool video... had not seen those connections before. I think the connection to wisdom in the beginning merits posting here. I'll try to find the text from the Talmud the the video was speaking about.

But till then; Here is one of my favorite Einstein quotes. maybe you have heard it already?

View attachment 28448

It was fine until it started in on the triangles and stars, and completely lost the plot.

That's a good one. :) Let's swap.

Proverbs 25:2 כבד אלהים הסתר דבר וכבד מלכים חקר דבר
"It is the glory of Elohim to conceal a word, and the glory of kings to search out a word."

Have you seen the movie Pi? There's a scene I love that explains gematria. :)

 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
It was fine until it started in on the triangles and stars, and completely lost the plot.

That's a good one. :) Let's swap.

Proverbs 25:2 כבד אלהים הסתר דבר וכבד מלכים חקר דבר
"It is the glory of Elohim to conceal a word, and the glory of kings to search out a word."

Have you seen the movie Pi? There's a scene I love that explains gematria. :)

I haven't watched Pi in a long time. And that's a great quote from proverbs.
 
Following up on Friday's question...

[GALLERY=media, 8902]208 ~ the gematria of Sarah, Hagar and Isaac by Bethsheba Ashe posted Apr 21, 2019 at 3:14 PM[/GALLERY]

I suggest the 208 value repetition concerns the calendar and the leap year. I'm willing to entertain alternative suggestions however.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
In the Story, Hagar was a surrogate for Sarah.

Both Sarah and Hagar are matriarchs: Islam and Judaism.

So that would easily fit with the numeric equivalence between each other and with the word "well"

And a well is deeply spiritual ( pun intended ).

hyperlink >>> chabad.org - Water from the Well

2 nations from a deep spiritual well... Sarah = Hagar = Well
 
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dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
The name Sarah translates to "G-d's Princess"?

"Hagar," according to the Midrash, stems from this beginning of her association with Abraham's house. It comes from "Ha-Agar," meaning this is the reward.

Info on the name Hagar comes from: hyperlink >>> chabad.org - Hagar

"God's princess" is similar to a "reward"
 
Because its Easter, here's some Isopsephy from the NT today. For centuries people have speculated about why exactly 153 fish were mentioned in 1 John.

"Jesus told them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.” 11 So Simon Peter went aboard and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, one hundred fifty-three. And although there were so many, the net was not torn."

ichthyon - of fish
ἰχθύων 193

megalōn - large
μεγάλων 209

diktyon - net
δίκτυον 161

gen - land
γῆν 61

Large 209 + Fish 193 + (the number of fish) 153 = 555
Net 161 + Land 61 = 222

555 + 222 = 777.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Because its Easter, here's some Isopsephy from the NT today. For centuries people have speculated about why exactly 153 fish were mentioned in 1 John.

"Jesus told them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.” 11 So Simon Peter went aboard and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, one hundred fifty-three. And although there were so many, the net was not torn."

ichthyon - of fish
ἰχθύων 193

megalōn - large
μεγάλων 209

diktyon - net
δίκτυον 161

gen - land
γῆν 61

Large 209 + Fish 193 + (the number of fish) 153 = 555
Net 161 + Land 61 = 222

555 + 222 = 777.

WOW! This is the first gematria from the NT I have ever learned; That is really really cool. Thank you so much!
 
WOW! This is the first gematria from the NT I have ever learned; That is really really cool. Thank you so much!

You're welcome. :) I love how the gematria of this story becomes part of the narrative; Jesus makes himself known to the disciples by giving them the sign 777. I suspect there is a great deal more gematria to this story. Adding "outer garment" to "Simon Peter" and "sea" might be significant. Also "charcoal fire" + "fish" + "bread" looks promising. Speculatively... "Jesus" + "raised from the dead".

"Jesus Appears by the Sea of Tiberias

1 Later, by the Sea of Tiberias, Jesus again revealed Himself to the disciples. He made Himself known in this way: 2 Simon Peter, Thomas called Didymus, Nathanael from Cana in Galilee, the sons of Zebedee, and two other disciples were together. 3 Simon Peter told them, “I am going fishing.”
“We will go with you,” they said. So they went out and got into the boat, but caught nothing that night.
4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not recognize that it was Jesus. 5 So He called out to them, “Children, do you have any fish?”
“No,” they answered.
6 He told them, “Cast the net on the right side of the boat, and you will find some.” So they cast it there, and they were unable to haul it in because of the great number of fish.
7 Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, “It is the Lord!” As soon as Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put on his outer garment (for he had removed it) and jumped into the sea. 8 The other disciples came ashore in the boat. They dragged in the net full of fish, for they were not far from land, only about a hundred yards.
9 When they landed, they saw a charcoal fire there with fish on it, and some bread.
10 Jesus told them, “Bring some of the fish you have just caught.” 11So Simon Peter went aboard and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many, the net was not torn.
12 “Come, have breakfast,” Jesus said to them. None of the disciples dared to ask Him, “Who are You?” They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came and took the bread and gave it to them, and He did the same with the fish.
14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to the disciples after He was raised from the dead."​
 
Today's gems comes from Genesis 21:33:

ויטע אשל בבאר שבע שם בשם יהוה אל עולם = 700
"And he planted a tamarisk in Beersheba there in the name of YHVH AL Olam."

בשם יהוה אל עולם = 248 : "in the name of YHVH AL Olam."
 
Today I'm working the Chariot once more and taking a peek at Genesis 1:29. I try and do at least once verse a day. There is lots of gematria in Genesis but this verse singles itself out for attention with the word הִנֵּה֩ which is usually translated as "Behold!" I've colour coded the Hebrew to make things easier for non-Hebrew speakers. An interlinear view is available here.

ויאמר אלהים הנה נתתי לכם את כל עשב זרע זרע אשר על פני כל הארץ ואת כל העץ אשר בו פרי עץ זרע זרע לכם יהיה לאכלה׃

And said Elohim Behold I have given you + all herb yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth and+ all the tree that is in fruit tree yielding seed to you it shall be for food.

According to the alphabetic acrostic, this verse matches the path of Teth on the Seven Palaces, corresponding to the roof of the First Temple. The Teth is attributed the Tarot card of Strength (or Lust in the Thoth deck).

On the Seven Palaces, when the gate of the Teth (11) is joined to the gate of Cheth (11) and the gate of Vav (9) to make a triangle of the top three paths, the total is 31 for the name of EL. At either side of the Teth are the palaces of the Aleph, representing the day and the night. If we had to give this path a name, Sustenance might capture some of the flavour of this path as food sustains all life on earth. A world without food would be like a house without a roof, and it is the crossbeams of the roof of a house that provides the enduring strength of the structure. Words that end with the אט suffix tend to indicated covering or containing. אט means ‘slowly’ or ‘softly, perhaps in reference to the slowly moving face of the sky, and is associated with words indicating gentleness or secrecy.
אַטֶּ֣ה means ‘to incline’ or to ‘stretch’, as the vault of the sky stretches across the earth. Before 1190 BCE when the city of Ugarit fell, the wife of the God ‘El’ (or ‘AL’ in Thelema) was the Goddess Elat, and this is also her path. She is the face of the Heavens; the roof of the Temple that lends it strength and stability; and she prevents the waters outside from rushing in to flood the earth; and she is the veil before the tabernacle. The Paleohebrew letter Teth was shaped as a wheel, and this is why we have the famous biblical references by Ezekiel to ‘a Wheel within a Wheel’.

The gematria is complicated. The words in blue (et, and v'et) usually signify addition, while the words in green (meaning 'all') signal that you should count everything afterward. The word in orange denotes that one value is part of another one and that is usually subtracted. For instance, when "and darkness" is on the Face of the Deep in Genesis 1:2, we subtract "and darkness" from "face of the deep" and add the value of "light" to find the number 365 (days a year).

Anyways, this is the verse I'm working on today. Wish me luck, and why you don't you have a go, or choose a verse of your own to research? its fun. :)
 
Today I want to discuss the gematria of the Holy Name and why it was such a unifying monotheistic engine in ancient times, as well as asking “Where does the holy name come from?” And “What do the letters Yod Heh Vav Heh actually stand for?”

[As usual I’m using biblical gematria values which may be different from what you are used to. Please see the OP for details. You can use my calculator at shematria.com to check the values or work on your own research.]

At first glance there doesn’t appear to be much to the name. It’s only 4 letters long, has a value of 26, and it first appears in verse 2:4 of Genesis. It’s when we start to consider the significance of the name to the Wheel of the Chariot that things get interesting…

The-Name.jpg


By using the letters of the name as an acronym, the wheel can be divided into 4 sections;

Yod for the inner paths
Heh for the sanctuary
Vav for the paths of the circumference
Heh for the remaining palaces.

This gives us a grand total of 1,012 for all the letters. When all the numbers of the middle column (282 without ‎using gates) are removed from the total number of 1012 ‎for the entire wheel this leaves 730 and also splits the ‎wheel into two sections. 730 /2 = 365 days. Some of you may realize that עזרה “The Court” of the Temple of Solomon has a value of 282, and עזרה “The Court” 282 minus the היכל “Heichal” 65 = 217, so we can see a correspondence between the Palaces and the Temple appearing here, and to go a little further in their direction we might draw your attention to these calculations;

Y 309 + H 217 + H 15 = 541.
So YHH 541 – V 471 (the circumference) = 70,
similar to the way the Temple 147 minus the Hall 77 is 70,
and of course 217 / 70 = 3.1.

With the wheel of the Chariot we find the number 31 for אל as the basis for everything, but the Holy Name stands for literally everything in the Heavens and the Earth; it is God and all creation unified in four interlocking parts of the cosmos.

The 3 gates which make up the top triangle of the wheel have a sum total of 31;
11 + 11 + 9 = 31.
And when we add together ALL of the gates of the wheel for all the letters of the paths we find the sum is 3108 which is 777 * 4.

So where are we going with this? Well the ancients must have been astonished to learn that this beautiful arrangement of numbers on the wheel bears a relationship with (יהוה אלהים (112 because 1012 / 4 = 253 and 253 + 112 = 365 (days in a year). Not only that but the number 253 is on the wheel. Collect the letters from all four paths and palaces connecting to the Palace of the Aleph on the right hand side of the wheel:

‎ 1 Palace of the Aleph‎
‎ 9 Path of Teth + 1 the other Aleph = 10‎
‎ 6 The Vav + 2 the Palace of Beth = 8‎
‎ 20 The Kaph + 4 the Palace of Daleth = 24‎
‎ 10 The Yod + 200 the Palace of Resh = 210‎
‎ 1 + 10 + 8 + 24 + 210 = 253.‎

And this was surely noticed by Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 1:10: ֩אל־הימין֩ אריה֩ ופני֩ אדם֩ פני֩ פניהם֩ ודמות לארבעתן֩ופני־נשר֩לארבעתן֩מהשמאול֩ופני־שור֩ לארבעתם ―And the likeness of their faces, the face of a man and the face of a lion on the right side [of the word] to them four and had the face of an ox to the left [of the word] to them four and had the face of an eagle to them four.

Man = אדם = 45 = the gate of Mem.‎
Lion = ‎אַרְיֵ֤ה‎ = 216 on the right side of the word = ‎אַרְיֵ֤‎ = 211 (gate of the ‎path of Yod).‎
Ox = ‎שׁ֥וֹר‎ = 209 on the left side of the word = ‎וֹר‎ = 206 (gate of the path ‎with four letters; ‎(‎שתצק)‎ Shin, Tav, Tsade & Qoph).
Eagle = ‎נֶ֖שֶׁר‎ = 253.

Therefore:

Man = Path of Mem
Lion = Path of Yod
Ox = Fourfold (‎שתצק‎) Paths
Eagle = Palace of Aleph

Mem (40) Yod (10) Shin (3) Tav (4) Tsade (90) Qoph (100) Aleph (1) = 248
which is numerically identical with the value of Abraham (248) and is 31 x 8. It is as Rabbi Shimon ben Lakish once said: “The patriarchs they ‎themselves were the Divine Chariot!

The Wheel of the Chariot occupied a time in ancient history where monotheism was just emerging, and as a stepping stone from paganism to pure monotheism was the idea of YHVH as a unifying umbrella. Therefore, though we haven’t discussed it in any detail yet, there are quite a few pagan remnants left on the wheel and if we look closely we can see the names of Asherah, Elat and Hadad spelled out there, under the domain of YHVH in every quarter.

Yhvh (26) + AShRH (209) + 777 = YHVH (1012).
Yhvh + AShRH = 26 + 209 = 235. [235 is the exact number of synodic months in 19 solar years (according to the metonic calendar.]
235 + 777 = 1012 (YHVH).

Elohim is the plural form of El and it is usually thought to refer to the supreme God but on at least one occasion in the Tanakh it is also used to refer to ‘the dead’ (1 Samuel 28:13). It has meanings ranging from “gods” in a general sense to specific gods, or (most frequently) to YHVH but also to demons, angels, kings and prophets. However, while the word has an obvious pantheistic heritage – the associated polytheism was slowly dropped in Judaism and the narrative relationships between the El and his family were either ignored or recast into the domain of the family completely by Greco-Christian cults. It came to mean simply ‘God’ – whatever the original writers of the Torah may have originally intended by its use.

In the Levantine pantheon, El fathered the Gods Hadad, Yam and Mot and their sister the Goddess Anat. El was married to the Goddess Asherah/Elat and in that pantheon the sons of El are called the Elohim. Hadad was the god of rain, storms and fertility; Mot was the God of Death; and Yam was the God of the sea while Anat was Queen of Heaven and a violent War Goddess. In the Baal cycle, Hadad complains to Asherah that he doesn‘t have a Palace of his own like other Gods and has to live in the same dwelling as her and El. Eventually El reluctantly allows Hadad his own house. The ideographic representation of this is found on the Chariot Wheel by the bottom 3 palaces that spell out the name: הדד, and this gives us a clue to the great age and antiquity of the Chariot Wheel because Ugarit was destroyed in 1050 BCE.
 
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