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Biblical Life Spans
- Thread starter herushura
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Mr.Anderson
New Member
Life spans were longer before the flood. The Bible states that the flood would destroy the land dwelling animals and the earth.
After the flood the earth was completely different than the earth before. There were widespread global differences, like changes in the climate, atmosphere, diet, and chemical and physiological changes. These changes caused a rapid decline in life spans.
If you divide these numbers by 12, you get numbers in the 70s (The 900+ ages). I think maybe they used a lunar calender (well, maybe not- but it is a thought).
Darz
Member
If that is the case then why was has the average lifespan for a large portion of the past two thousand years been 20-30 years old? Everything was natural two thousand years ago, was it not?
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
I think ChristineES bring up s good point. It's not that people back then really live 700, 800, 900+ year, it just might seem like it because they used Lunar calender back then, and if I remember right they go by fast, so your birthday would come along faster.
Elessar
Well-Known Member
Christine's idea isn't a bad one. I think of it as, the modern year hadn't been developed yet.
Oh, and on why it's been "naturally" 20-30 years for most of recorded history? That's including the large number of deaths from ages 1-4, a time when children are especially susceptible to disease, and thus, die. If you disinclude these, the average lifespan, even during the Middle Ages, wasn't that much worse than today - your average peasant might live to mid-60s in High Middle Ages Europe, given that they made it past early childhood.
Something to note - until recently, almost all study was on supposedly the "best" of society - the Kings, the lords - but, in fact, these had a shorter lifespan than your average peasant. The average peasant ate whole grains, vegetables, fruit, and fish. Your average nobleman ate meat, poultry and white bread. Also, your average nobleman tended to lead armies and die gloriously in battle. Once you add being more susceptible to disease due to inbreeding, nobility really can't be expected to have as long a lifespan as peasants...and certainly not quite so healthy.
Oh, and on why it's been "naturally" 20-30 years for most of recorded history? That's including the large number of deaths from ages 1-4, a time when children are especially susceptible to disease, and thus, die. If you disinclude these, the average lifespan, even during the Middle Ages, wasn't that much worse than today - your average peasant might live to mid-60s in High Middle Ages Europe, given that they made it past early childhood.
Something to note - until recently, almost all study was on supposedly the "best" of society - the Kings, the lords - but, in fact, these had a shorter lifespan than your average peasant. The average peasant ate whole grains, vegetables, fruit, and fish. Your average nobleman ate meat, poultry and white bread. Also, your average nobleman tended to lead armies and die gloriously in battle. Once you add being more susceptible to disease due to inbreeding, nobility really can't be expected to have as long a lifespan as peasants...and certainly not quite so healthy.
whereismynotecard
Treasure Hunter
So... Abraham and Jacob kind of got screwed over...... They would have been about 15 years old......
Well, by the time Abraham came around, they would have switched over to the Solar Calender.
deseretgov
Unofficial Ambassador
I prefer to think that it is because of genetic weakening caused by inbreeding. Adam and Eve would have had near perfect genetics. Because they were the only two people then the inbreeding caused by their children breeding together would have weakened the gene pool. As Elessar pointed out a common lifespan hundreds of years ago was 20-30 years. It wasn't until recent medical and technological advances that the lifespan continues to increase again.
But medical and technological advances are adouble edged sword. While they let us life healthier and longer lifes they also allow those weaker genetic traits to survive and reproduce, further weakining the following generation.
Truth_Faith13
Well-Known Member
Probably all the fighting, slavery and killing of each other that went on maybe. One of the Pharaohs of Egypt, Ramases (cannot remember which one) reigned for like 60 odd years!!!! That's not including his time before he came Pharaohs. Queen Elizabeth I lived until her 80s I think and back then people were known to only live until their 40s/50s. You hear today of that woman who is 135.
Elessar
Well-Known Member
You obviously didn't read my post - I explicitly was trying to refute this flawed assumption. I explicitly rejected that it was the common lifespan. My entire post was to disprove that it WAS the common lifespan, as elseone had stated.
herushura
Active Member
Well i did calculations and if adam is first man, then i say that year 1 is adams births, AC=after creation
1AC-Adams Birth 801AC-Adams Death
131AC-Seths Birth 938AC-Seths Death
236AC-Enoshs Birth 1051AC-Enoshs Death
326AC-Kenans Birth 1166AC-Kenans Death
386AC-Mahalajels Birth 1216AC-Mahalajels Death
451AC-Jareds birth 1251AC-Jareds Death
613AC-Enochs birth 913AC-Enochs Death
678AC-Methsuselahs birth 1460AC- Methsuselahs Death
865AC-Lamechs birth 1460AC- Lamechs Death
1047AC-Noahs Birth 1997AC - Noahs Death
1747AC-The Flood Begins 1897AC-The Flood Ends
Methsuselah and Lamechs died in the same year
1AC-Adams Birth 801AC-Adams Death
131AC-Seths Birth 938AC-Seths Death
236AC-Enoshs Birth 1051AC-Enoshs Death
326AC-Kenans Birth 1166AC-Kenans Death
386AC-Mahalajels Birth 1216AC-Mahalajels Death
451AC-Jareds birth 1251AC-Jareds Death
613AC-Enochs birth 913AC-Enochs Death
678AC-Methsuselahs birth 1460AC- Methsuselahs Death
865AC-Lamechs birth 1460AC- Lamechs Death
1047AC-Noahs Birth 1997AC - Noahs Death
1747AC-The Flood Begins 1897AC-The Flood Ends
Methsuselah and Lamechs died in the same year
deseretgov
Unofficial Ambassador
No, I did read your post. And I used your position(that was intended to opose mine) in a way to support my own.
Phasmid
Mr Invisible
I think Ramases actually lived to 80-90 years. Was an old boy and a pretty good Pharaoh.
herushura
Active Member
Rameses II was also a supporter for the monothesis Religion formation in egypt. Without him or Akhenaten, Judaism would of not existed.
Elessar
Well-Known Member
Actually, connection between Judaism and Akhenaten has been conclusively disproven, and the connections between the two are spurious, at best, since Sigmund Freud developed the theory. Judaism is clearly not a Kemetic or Egyptian-style religion, much more Semitic in its basis than Kemetic. And the term for G-d replaced with Hashem is not in any way lingually related, despite a fleeting similarity, to Aten, and the Name itself is certainly not related, nor does it even sound similar.
herushura
Active Member
Yadhonwiah = Atun-Ra, Adonia is similer to aten, and yhwh+adonia=yadhonwiah
Akhenaten created the foundation for judaism, but majority of biblical stories are from semetic, but the first part of (genesis 1 to genesis 2:3) is definity Kemeticly originated.
