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Biden to address nation on Afghanistan 'soon'

Who is to blame for the failure in Afghanistan?

  • Biden

    Votes: 8 38.1%
  • Trump

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • Obama

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Bush Jr.

    Votes: 10 47.6%
  • The U.S. military leadership

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • Congress

    Votes: 6 28.6%
  • The weak Afghan government (now deposed)

    Votes: 6 28.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • We never should have gone in the first place

    Votes: 11 52.4%

  • Total voters
    21

esmith

Veteran Member
Whatever might be the reasons, the fact that Trump presumably agreed a date for withdrawal emboldened the Taliban to plan for such, so he could be blamed for given them a green light. I don't know. Perhaps the Afghani people were just more allied to their religion and culture than we (or those in planning such things) thought, and this result was always on the cards. Just a very messy end though, and no doubt horrible for so many.
So, Biden did away with numerous policies President Trump implemented. Why do many of you think he did what he did because it was the previous administration proposed plan.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The way President Biden handled this was disgraceful.
Yep, but at least he admits that he "owns it".

BTW, Trump set a deadline for us to move out by May 1st of this year, obviously three months earlier than now, but his administration also hadn't started the vetting process that under normal circumstances takes about 5 years.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Yes, although I guess the key question is: What now? Should we try to learn something from this, so that we can refrain from making future mistakes? That seems to be our main problem, that we don't learn anything from any of our past failures.
Who is the "we" in this question? Because I would argue that the answer will look very, very differently depending on who is being adressed with that question.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Who is the "we" in this question? Because I would argue that the answer will look very, very differently depending on who is being adressed with that question.

"We" as in "We The People."
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I'm willing to bet each and every recommendation by the joint chiefs of staff went ignored and wilfully disregarded.

It's really easy to make big-*** assertions when you know there is no way to support them.

But, are you suggesting that Trump disregarded the recommendations by the joint chiefs when he signed a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban with no input from the Afghan government?
 

averageJOE

zombie
Failure in Afghanistan???

Afghanistan has been, and continues to be, a major success for companies like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and Boeing. What we see on the news about Afghanistan is nothing more than manufacturing consent as to why the US needs to remain there. And it's working. 20 years later people are convinced we need to remain in this forever war. In the eyes of our government and the military industrial complex, that is a success.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
There was NO official document, just President Trump said this is what we will do.
Uh huh.


Why would you post something that is so easy to refute? If you had done any research, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf
Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America February 29, 2020 which corresponds to Rajab 5, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 10, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar A comprehensive peace agreement is made of four parts:​


Of course, you aren't the only Trump Republican embarrassed, there is this...
GOP Quietly Scrubs Webpage Detailing Trump's 'Historic Peace Agreement With the Taliban'
GOP Quietly Scrubs Webpage Detailing Trump's 'Historic Peace Agreement With the Taliban'
The move comes in light of the Taliban taking control of Afghanistan.
By
Shoshana Wodinsky

Yesterday 11:42AM

In the wake of the Taliban’s recent capture of Kabul, Afghanistan’s capital, it looks like the Republican Party is quietly scrubbing traces of the former president’s deals with the militant Islamist group.

The GOP has pulled a webpage praising Donald Trump over his administration’s “historic peace agreement with the Taliban.” The page, which has been archived here, was first instated in the midst of last year’s presidential election.

“Trump has continued to take the lead in peace talks as he signed a historic peace agreement with the Taliban in Afghanistan, which would end America’s longest war,” the now-deleted page read. It also noted that while the now ex-president has “championed peace,” Joe Biden had pushed “endless wars.” Elsewhere on the page, the GOP noted that Trump had “taken action to defeat ISIS and eliminate dangerous leaders.”

It’s worth noting here that Abdul Ghani Baradar, who co-founded the Taliban in Afghanistan and went on to become the organization’s top-ranking political chief, was released from Pakistani jail at the U.S.’s request while Trump was in office.​
 

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