Biden to unveil gun control measures, appoint ATF chief

[McBell]

The current laws are both unenforced and ineffective. If your point is that we could solve this problem simply by enforcing the laws we have, you're very wrong.

I suggest they start actually enforcing the laws currently on the books instead of passing a bunch of laws that only serve to make the ignorant think something is being done about the mass killings.

 

[McBell]

There have been 3D printed AR-15-like rifles.

How many of them can fire more than one round without melting?

 

[McBell]

I never heard of "ghost guns" before.

A "ghost gun" is merely a firearm without a unique serial number imprinted upon it.

Apparently ghost guns are sold in parts, where criminals can buy these kits and put them together in less than 30 minutes.

Source please.

It appears that Biden is serious about addressing issues with gun violence, but if past experience is anything to go by, it's going to be a huge political battle.

I have not seen it.

 

[McBell]

It's not going to pass anyways.

I was completely unaware that Executive Orders were voted on....

 

[PureX]

I suggest they start actually enforcing the laws currently on the books instead of passing a bunch of laws that only serve to make the ignorant think something is being done about the mass killings.

It's a waste of time fiddling with ineffective, spotty legalisms. Let's just fix it right.

 

[McBell]

We have mountains of data. And we have very workable solutions. What we don't have is the will.

The solution is to regulate ownership similar to the way we regulate motor vehicle use. And then impose heavy penalties on anyone who defies the regulation. It's not about denying people the right to own and use guns. It's about making sure that those who do so are and will continue doing so responsibly. That means they can show that they know the relevant laws, the necessary procedures and practices, are safe and proficient in handling, use, and can hit what they aim at. It also means they are willing to forfeit their license to own and use deadly weapons for any incidence of violence, stalking, threatening, domestic abuse, alcohol or drug abuse, or mental-emotional instability. (And of course, criminal activity.)

Show that you know how to own and use such weapons responsibly, and you can do so if you choose. But if you get caught defying this responsibility, you pay a very real and heavy price.

It's simple.

interesting.
How would your above proposal have prevented Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa from going on his murder spree?

 

[McBell]

It's a waste of time fiddling with ineffective, spotty legalisms. Let's just fix it right.

Good idea.
Hopefully you do not think that your proposed law as presented in post #15 will "fix" it.

 

[McBell]

5.56 = .223

like:

.380 = 9mm
410 = .45​

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How many of them can fire more than one round without melting?

3D printed firearm - Wikipedia

3D-printed metal guns are more commonly thought as a way for legitimate gun manufacturers to exceed traditional design limitations.[1]

Although it is possible to create fully-plastic guns, such firearms tend to be extremely short-lived.[2] Instead, it is more practical to print a plastic frame and use metal in the action and the barrel. The metal parts can be self-made or bought in the form of a parts kit.[3][a]

A related issue is the production of 3D-printed parts for conventional firearms. Printed high-capacity magazines circumvent limits on assault weapons, sears weaken the control on machine guns, and pistol braces challenge the limit on short-barreled rifles.

3D printed guns: where are we now? - 3Dnatives!

Their 3D printed metal handgun was built using Direct Metal Laser Sintering (DLMS) technology, and could fire more than 600 bullets without any damage to the gun. It is believed to be the most reliable metal 3D printed gun made so far.

3D-Printed Guns Are Getting More Capable and Accessible

On Jan. 1, Chase Tkach—chair of the Orleans County, New York, Libertarian Party, also known as porn actor Molly Smash—uploaded two fast-flashing, dubstep-tuned theatrical trailers to their Pornhub channel. The videos were promoting cheap, untraceable, 3D-printed, plastic, DIY, semi-automatic guns. That’s because Tkach likes guns, specifically unregulated ones. And homemade guns are so hot right now.

People have been making 3D-printed guns at home since 2013. They used to be pretty low-tech, capable of one shot before busting. But they’ve come a long way in the past few years. Now you can print untraceable AR-15s, AKMs, semi-automatic pistols, and more—no serial number, no registration, no background check. Up until recently, however, the best you could do with a semi-automatic rifle like the AR-15 was 3D-print the lower receiver (the core part that’s regulated as a firearm). Users still had to buy real magazines, triggers, and barrels to complete the kit and build a working gun. That’s easy to do if you live in America, where most people can purchase gun parts (minus the receiver) online. But it’s a problem if you live in a country with strict gun control like Germany, where most people can’t easily purchase the necessary parts.

All that changed in March, when 3D-printing and firearm enthusiasts publicly released the design for a 100 percent homemade semi-automatic rifle that not only shoots 9 mm ammo exceptionally well but is durable enough to withstand thousands of rounds. They called it the FGC-9, which stands for “**** gun control 9 mm.” Most of the gun is 3D-printed, while the rest includes inconspicuous parts available at hardware stores. The files include detailed instructions to help anyone—even if they don’t have technical knowledge—build their own. They explain which 3D printer to buy, how to cast DIY ammo at home, and how to modify a metal tube in your bedroom to turn it into a gun barrel. The metal means the gun can’t sneak past metal detectors, but it also means there are no consequences for owning one in the U.S. 3D-printed guns are legal, as long as they can be picked up by a metal detector.

If you already have a 3D printer (the recommended one is about $250) and basic hand tools, it costs about $100 for the rest of the tools to build the barrel, then about $100 in supplies for each gun after that. For reference, a Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport (a popular midtier AR-15-style rifle) starts at about $750 off the shelf. A technically inclined builder could make an FGC-9 in less than a week. Someone with no experience could possibly learn everything they need and build it in a couple of weeks.

 

[McBell]

3D printed firearm - Wikipedia

3D printed guns: where are we now? - 3Dnatives!

3D-Printed Guns Are Getting More Capable and Accessible

Oh.
My mistake.
I thought you were talking about the everyday citizen making functional AR-15s with 3D printers.
Not manufacturers

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Oh.
My mistake.
I thought you were talking about the everyday citizen making functional AR-15s with 3D printers.
Not manufacturers

Didn't know I have to do your reading for you.
It hasn't just been manufactures making them. This is a source of ghost guns. This is covered in those articles.

 

[McBell]

Didn't know I have to do your reading for you.
It hasn't just been manufactures making them. This is a source of ghost guns. This is covered in those articles.

My apologies.
It was not my intention to trigger ya.

I flat out said it was my mistake.
I also flat out stated what my mistake was.

 

[Stevicus]

Source please.

It's in the article I linked in the OP. I even quoted the passage which said that. Didn't you even bother to read it?

I have not seen it.

So, you've never noticed how there's been an ongoing political dispute over gun control in this country?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Meaning what, exactly?
That you prefer to fire the 5.56 rounds?

Caliber.

 

[Thief]

Which, at the time it was written, the most powerful gun was a one-shot muzzle-loading rifle. That's a far cry from a AR-15 assault-style rifle with an extended magazine.

good point

do you think?......the founding fathers would understand?
if your gun shoots faster
I want one too

after all.....tech jumps happen and must be dealt with

if the British had suddenly discovered multi-round weapons
we would still be paying high tax on tea

and the answer of course......try to keep the bad guy from getting the 'bad' guns?

THAT seems to be the ACTUAL problem

it's not the gun that kills

it's the guy pulling the trigger

 

[Thief]

"Welcome to America. The Westernized, modernized nation where needing a gun for self defense is perfectly acceptable."

black belt here.......

hand to hand can also be affected by law

Russia banned the teaching of martial art......decades ago

now the only people studying the arts.......Russian mafia

I had the newsclip.....posted it on the dojo wall

 

[Curious George]

5.56 = .223

No

 

[We Never Know]

President Joe Biden to unveil gun control measures, appoint ATF chief - UPI.com



I never heard of "ghost guns" before.



Apparently ghost guns are sold in parts, where criminals can buy these kits and put them together in less than 30 minutes.



The new ATF chief is a former Federal agent and gun control advocate.



It appears that Biden is serious about addressing issues with gun violence, but if past experience is anything to go by, it's going to be a huge political battle.

A ghost gun is any gun missing its serial numbers. No owner can be shown but bullets still can be ballistically linked to them. I can take a gun out of my gun safe, file away they serial numbers and I would have a ghost gun. They are highly desired by criminals/gang's.

 

[McBell]

It's in the article I linked in the OP. I even quoted the passage which said that. Didn't you even bother to read it?

Wow.
You are right.
It is right where you said it was.
Twice.

and I missed it.
Twice.

So, you've never noticed how there's been an ongoing political dispute over gun control in this country?

I should have edited your part so my part was more clear:

It appears that Biden is serious about addressing issues with gun violence,

I have not seen it.
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[Revoltingest]

No

Close enuf.
Ref....
What's the Difference Between 5.56mm NATO and .223 Remington?
Regarding the discussion, the minor differences
actually make the 5.56 a potentially better varmint caliber.
So the AR-15 is a good hunting rifle. Heavy barrel & a
scope would do the job.
Btw, the .308 & 7.62x51 relationship is remarkably similar.