Biden to unveil gun control measures, appoint ATF chief

[We Never Know]

Doesn't make any difference you can kill with a vehicle just as with a firearm.

One big difference is they blame the person, not the car.

 

[We Never Know]

And it's exactly that "bad judgment" that should be a major concern to us regrinding gun possession. Especially the that "bad judgment" is in relation to the safety and well-being of others.

We all make bad judgements. Speeding is a bad judgement. Should they be banned as well? How about a person who runs a stop sign?

 

[PureX]

I personally think all criminal records(including SIS probation where the charge is pretty much dropped after probation) and all medical records for(treatment for depression, schizophrenia, etc) should be made available to the government when doing background checks on the purchase of a firearm. But then you get into violating people rights and so in.

I would include some time limitations, however. Ten years pass with no further indication of social irresponsibility should wipe the slate.

As to our "rights": they must be held IN BALANCE WITH OUR RESPONSIBILITIES to each other. Just because I like playing with military grade assault weapons doesn't me I have a "right" to do so next to a school playground. This is what regulation is all about: balancing our "rights" with our responsibilities to each other. Something the gun fetishists seem to know or care very little about.

 

[PureX]

We all make bad judgements. Speeding is a bad judgement. Should they be banned as well? How about a person who runs a stop sign?

Do these regularly and you will have your license to drive taken away. Exactly as it should be. As you will have shown yourself to be too irresponsible to be trusted to drive among the rest of us.

Same should be done with guns. Only because very few of us actually NEEDS a gun to live, and because guns are designed to kill us (not transport us) the rules and resonsibilities can and should be much stricter.

 

[Twilight Hue]

EVERY law will be ignored by them, they are CRIMINALS, after all, by definition. So, are you suggesting that we eliminate all our laws because the criminals will ignore them?

Laws are deterrents not preventive. That's what anti gun people don't understand.

Nothing will stop people with squirming brains intent on killing others. They will simply get their weapons from arms smugglers and laws mean nothing to these people whatsoever.

 

[We Never Know]

I would include some time limitations, however. Ten years pass with no further indication of social irresponsibility should wipe the slate.

As to our "rights": they must be held IN BALANCE WITH OUR RESPONSIBILITIES to each other. Just because I like playing with military grade assault weapons doesn't me I have a "right" to do so next to a school playground. This is what regulation is all about: balancing our "rights" with our responsibilities to each other. Something the gun fetishists seem to know or care very little about.

One can argue that a person sent to prison for a drug felony and paid for his crime with time, then after prison if ten years pass with no further indication of social irresponsibility should we wipe their slate clean?

 

[We Never Know]

Do these regularly and you will have your license to drive taken away. Exactly as it should be. As you will have shown yourself to be too irresponsible to be trusted to drive among the rest of us.

Same should be done with guns. Only because very few of us actually NEEDS a gun to live, and because guns are designed to kill us (not transport us) the rules and resonsibilities can and should be much stricter.

Not really. Lawyers help the ones with money keep their license for all kinds of violations all the time wereas a poor man would lose theirs.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do these regularly and you will have your license to drive taken away. Exactly as it should be. As you will have shown yourself to be too irresponsible to be trusted to drive among the rest of us.

Same should be done with guns. Only because very few of us actually NEEDS a gun to live, and because guns are designed to kill us (not transport us) the rules and resonsibilities can and should be much stricter.

A person planning to kill people with a car or truck won't care one iota if he or she has a license or not.

 

[We Never Know]

A person planning to kill people with a car or truck won't care one iota if he or she has a license or not.

This was under a 4 month span.

"There have been at least 104 incidents of people driving vehicles into protests from May 27 through Sept. 5, including 96 by civilians and eight by police, according to Ari Weil, a terrorism researcher at the University of Chicago's Project on Security and Threats"

Cars hit people 104 times at BLM protests since George Floyd's death

 

[PureX]

Laws are deterrents not preventive. That's what anti gun people don't understand.

Everyone understands this just fine. It's the gun nuts that keep insisting that the laws must be 100% preventative or they're completely useless. it's idiotic. Also, I am not "anti-gun". I am anti-idiots-having-guns. That means the road ragers, the stalkers, the bar fighters, the domestic abusers, the junkies, the drunks, the emotionally infantile, the mentally deficient, and the physically disabled.

Nothing will stop people with squirming brains intent on killing others.

All kinds of things can and will stop them. We can't stop them all, but we can stop most of them. And that's worth doing.

 

[PureX]

One can argue that a person sent to prison for a drug felony and paid for his crime with time, then after prison if ten years pass with no further indication of social irresponsibility should we wipe their slate clean?

This is not an issue of criminal conviction. It's an issue of SOCIAL BEHAVIOR.

 

[Twilight Hue]

All kinds of things can and will stop them. We can't stop them all, but we can stop most of them. And that's worth doing.

Like the drug trade? Are laws that effective?

 

[We Never Know]

Everyone understands this just fine. It's the gun nuts that keep insisting that the laws must be 100% preventative or they're completely useless. it's idiotic. Also, I am not "anti-gun". I am anti-idiots-having-guns. That means the road ragers, the stalkers, the bar fighters, the domestic abusers, junkies, drunks, the emotionally infantile, the mentally deficient, and the physically disabled.
All kinds of things can and will stop them. We can't stop them all, but we can stop most of them. And that's worth doing.

Would you clarify what you mean by "physically disabled"

 

[We Never Know]

This is not an issue of criminal conviction. It's an issue of SOCIAL BEHAVIOR.

Speeding and running a stop sign are both illegal and show poor social behavior.

 

[PureX]

Like the drug trade? Are laws that effective?

Yes, laws are effective when properly written and properly enforced. Its why every human society on Earth creates them.

 

[We Never Know]

Like the drug trade? Are laws that effective?

The war in drugs over the last 50 years has sure been effective at stopping drugs...right?

 

[PureX]

Speeding and running a stop sign are both illegal and show poor social behavior.

And both will cause you to be refused the "right" to drive a motor vehicle among the public. Just as it should be.

 

[We Never Know]

And both will cause you to be refused the "right" to drive a motor vehicles among the public. Just as it should be.

Not with lawyers!

 

[PureX]

The war in drugs over the last 50 years has sure been effective at stopping drugs...right?

Again, you keep trying to imply that if it's not 100% preventative, it's a failure. No law is 100% preventative, but laws ARE very effective when properly written and properly enforced.

 

[We Never Know]

Again, you keep trying to imply that if it's not 100% preventative, it's a failure. No law is 100% preventative, but laws ARE very effective when properly written and properly enforced.

What law will keep criminals from obtaining guns?