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Biden's Eviction Moratorium Order May Not Be Enough

McBell

Unbound
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Julián Castro, who was secretary of Housing and Urban Development under President Barack Obama, told USA TODAY the patchwork of eviction moratoriums at all levels of government exposes renters to gaps in the system.

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The problem is renters aren't automatically covered under the federal eviction moratorium.

To avoid eviction, a tenant is required to provide their landlord with a signed copy of the CDC declaration.

As a result, Diane Yentel, who leads the National Low Income Housing Coalition in Washington, D.C., said marginalized renters, such as lowest-income people, seniors without internet access, immigrants or others for whom English is not their first language are leaving their homes at an alarming rate.

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Matthew Desmond, a sociologist at Princeton University in New Jersey and director of the Eviction Lab, a centralized public database that tracks evictions nationwide, tweetedlast week thatfamilies often will mistakenly "see an eviction notice as an eviction order."

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In Milwaukee, in 34% of cases in which a tenant received an eviction notice, they moved without going to court, said Desmond.

As of Jan. 23, the Eviction Lab found landlords have filed 227,396 evictions during the pandemic in 27 cities that keep digital records.

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Another issue is that Biden's eviction moratorium protects only people who have been directly affected by the pandemic.

"If you’re an essential worker being paid $7.25 and were on the brink of eviction on Feb.1, 2019, the CDC eviction moratorium doesn’t allow that person to receive a stay on an eviction because they don’t qualify," said Andreanecia Morris, executive director of HousingNOLA, a community-led advocacy group out of New Orleans.
Joe Biden's federal eviction moratorium may not protect all renters
There is ALOT more information in the link...
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The problem is renters aren't automatically covered under the federal eviction moratorium.

To avoid eviction, a tenant is required to provide their landlord with a signed copy of the CDC declaration.
Not in my state. In the State of WA a renter does not even have to prove that their nonpayment of rent is due to Covid. One of my renters has provided no documentation, and he now owes me 11,000 yet I cannot evict him. Do you consider this fair?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Not in my state. In the State of WA a renter does not even have to prove that their nonpayment of rent is due to Covid. One of my renters has provided no documentation, and he now owes me 11,000 yet I cannot evict him. Do you consider this fair?
Biden would be happy to let landlords go bankrupt.
(We're not a large or sympathetic group.)
He doesn't even have constitutional authority to impose
such a regulation. He's behaving like a dictator, eh.
Ironic.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Not in my state. In the State of WA a renter does not even have to prove that their nonpayment of rent is due to Covid. One of my renters has provided no documentation, and he now owes me 11,000 yet I cannot evict him. Do you consider this fair?

Of course not. But whatever you do, don't imagine for one second that a lot of our societal problems could be solved if oligarchs paid their fair share of the taxes!
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Biden would be happy to let landlords go bankrupt.

I'd love to see some evidence of that claim.

He doesn't even have constitutional authority to impose
such a regulation. He's behaving like a dictator, eh.

Wait, what? Which of these claims are you going to stand behind? Or are you describing the popular "dictator with no authority" style of dictators? ;)
 

McBell

Unbound
Not in my state. In the State of WA a renter does not even have to prove that their nonpayment of rent is due to Covid. One of my renters has provided no documentation, and he now owes me 11,000 yet I cannot evict him. Do you consider this fair?
If you read the article it says that Federal, State, and even some Local governments has placed non-eviction statuses making it a confusing bureaucratic mess.
Further more, to be eligible for this particular one, you must have a signed thingy.

Do I consider it fair?
Based on what?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Biden would be happy to let landlords go bankrupt.
(We're not a large or sympathetic group.)
He doesn't even have constitutional authority to impose
such a regulation. He's behaving like a dictator, eh.
Ironic.
It is not only Biden but the governors, whose orders supersede the federal government orders.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Do I consider it fair?
Based on what?
Do you consider it fair for tenants to not have to pay rent considering landlords paid or are still paying for the rental dwelling and other expenses of owing it? I would not mind if I knew the tenant would pay the debt back eventually, I do not need the money right away.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'd love to see some evidence of that claim.
Evidence for a joke?
Wait, what? Which of these claims are you going to stand behind? Or are you describing the popular "dictator with no authority" style of dictators? ;)
This is also a joke. The left labeled Trump a dictator
because of his extensive use of executive orders. Biden is
actually running ahead of Trump so far in that regard.

As for landlords, he has no constitutional authority to
stop evictions. But tenants being a sympathetic &
large group, it's easy to hand them a benefit that costs
government nothing.
I'm in luck...self storage tenants are exempt form the
prohibitions against evictions.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Not in my state. In the State of WA a renter does not even have to prove that their nonpayment of rent is due to Covid. One of my renters has provided no documentation, and he now owes me 11,000 yet I cannot evict him. Do you consider this fair?

Especially hard hit are those privately owned properties that represent a landlord renting a small number of dwellings as opposed to cooperate landlords who own multiple properties, including the infamous 'slum'lords. Either way the landlord is dependent on the rent to pay their own taxes and mortgages. Are landlords allowed the same 'moratorium'?
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Of course not. But whatever you do, don't imagine for one second that a lot of our societal problems could be solved if oligarchs paid their fair share of the taxes!
So called oligarchs in America or (the rich) already pay most of the Federal income taxes. That's the problem, Americans live in ignorance about these facts. They just keep hearing Leftist parrot that the rich don't pay their "fair share".
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Personally, I prefer a flat-rate tax on all people above a certain minimum level of income, and also on all companies/corporations, with no deductions allowed.

As far as renters are concerned, this is no time to start kicking people out of their homes during this pandemic-- have a heart!
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Especially hard hit are those privately owned properties that represent a landlord renting a small number of dwellings as opposed to cooperate landlords who own multiple properties, including the infamous 'slum'lords. Either way the landlord is dependent on the rent to pay their own taxes and mortgages. Are landlords allowed the same 'moratorium'?
Yes, it is the landlord with one or a few rental houses that suffers most from this. As I understand it, there is a mortgage moratorium, so landlords are not being foreclosed upon by banks, but that still leaves the small landlords holding the bag if the tenants do not repay the rent that was allowed to accrue during the pandemic. I have no mortgages because I own all my houses outright, but that does not mean people should be allowed to take advantage of me.
 

McBell

Unbound
Do you consider it fair for tenants to not have to pay rent considering landlords paid or are still paying for the rental dwelling and other expenses of owing it? I would not mind if I knew the tenant would pay the debt back eventually, I do not need the money right away.
No, I do not.
However, I understand the logic of not sending millions of people into the streets during a pandemic.
The real question, IMO, is there a real danger of massive spread if people who need evicted get evicted?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
So called oligarchs in America or (the rich) already pay most of the Federal income taxes. That's the problem, Americans live in ignorance about these facts. They just keep hearing Leftist parrot that the rich don't pay their "fair share".

I think that what you just said is a sort of lie using statistics. I suspect that what you're claiming is that - in aggregate - the rich account for more than 50% of all taxes paid. For the sake of discussion, let's agree that that's true, and that they pay 60%. (I'm just guess at 60%, the actual number doesn't matter in this discussion.)

But what that statistic (conveniently for the rich), fails to mention is that the rich's wealth and income FAR exceed that 60% number. In other words, if you give me 90% of all the income and wealth, it's a GREAT DEAL for me if I have to pay only 60% of the taxes.

What people who defend oligarchs often seem to forget is that - for the system to be sustainable - oligarchs depend on a healthy middle class of consumers. Oligarchs these days seem not to care about the long-term viability of the economic system they're sucking dry.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
I think that what you just said is a sort of lie using statistics. I suspect that what you're claiming is that - in aggregate - the rich account for more than 50% of all taxes paid. For the sake of discussion, let's agree that that's true, and that they pay 60%. (I'm just guess at 60%, the actual number doesn't matter in this discussion.)

But what that statistic (conveniently for the rich), fails to mention is that the rich's wealth and income FAR exceed that 60% number. In other words, if you give me 90% of all the income and wealth, it's a GREAT DEAL for me if I have to pay only 60% of the taxes.

What people who defend oligarchs often seem to forget is that - for the system to be sustainable - oligarchs depend on a healthy middle class of consumers. Oligarchs these days seem not to care about the long-term viability of the economic system they're sucking dry.


Income Category .............. 2017 AGI.......... Percent of All Income............... Percent of Income Taxes Paid

Top 1%........................ Over $515,371.................... 21.0% ..................................................38.5%......................

Top 5% ........................Over $208,053 ....................36.5% ..................................................59.1%.......................

Top 10% .....................Over $145,135 .....................47.7%.................................................. 70.1%......................

Top 25% .......................Over $83,682 ......................69.1% .................................................86.1%.......................

Top 50% .......................Over $41,740 ......................88.8% ..................................................96.9%.....................

Bottom 50%................ Below $41,740 .....................11.3% .....................................................3.1%.....................
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
No, I do not.
However, I understand the logic of not sending millions of people into the streets during a pandemic.
The real question, IMO, is there a real danger of massive spread if people who need evicted get evicted?
I also understand the logic of not sending millions of people into the streets during a pandemic, but whatever politicians agree upon as a solution, it should be fair to both landlords and tenants. I think the government should offer rental assistance for those tenants who need it because they were impacted by covid, and those tenants should sign an unpaid rent agreement promising to pay back the unpaid rent. That would work for both the tenants and the landlords.
 

McBell

Unbound
I also understand the logic of not sending millions of people into the streets during a pandemic, but whatever politicians agree upon as a solution, it should be fair to both landlords and tenants. I think the government should offer rental assistance for those tenants who need it because they were impacted by covid, and those tenants should sign an unpaid rent agreement promising to pay back the unpaid rent. That would work for both the tenants and the landlords.
True.
However, as my father always said "Good Luck With That"
You put the government in charge of the Sahara Desert and there will be a sand shortage in five years...
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Income Category .............. 2017 AGI.......... Percent of All Income............... Percent of Income Taxes Paid

Top 1%........................ Over $515,371.................... 21.0% ..................................................38.5%......................

Top 5% ........................Over $208,053 ....................36.5% ..................................................59.1%.......................

For the time being I'm going to assume your'e debating in good faith...

Income Inequality - Inequality.org
 
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