Big bang theory dismissed

[Scott Russell]

Quick question.

How could the big bang theory....
Be considered as a possible explanation for "existence" , when in order for the BB to occurr, It , itself would have had to existed, whether it "existed" solely as itself,within itself, Somewhere else, nowhere else, Or not.

And to make it clear,
How could " whatever it's component are made of come to be? Were they always there? Or were they "born" ?
How were they born? A sexually perhaps?

But
How could they have created themselves when "what was created", before it's creation hadn't "existed"

If it always "existed", why would "it" after a seemingly eternal "existence" not be able to contain itself suddenly...and explode creating the universe and everything in it which obviously is Never going to not existt?..and which obviously goes on forever.

Not that I should even touch on this...
When it's the eternal itself that causes people to create a creation theorry to begin with....and ironically also proove how existence was made possible...

Whats the matter? Doesn't make sense?


If matter cannot be created or destroyed.....

How did the matter get there?

Ohhh it was always there......and it'll always be there .....

Using a freaking scientists therum to show how funny we are... Lol
So" it" will always be there in one form or another...
And the non physical heavens....are not going anywhere...and will always exist...
Expounding infinitly ..

So basically the heavens, or the universe,..according to human logic...as you can see...demonstrate to us.... by the power God has..the existence of the unfathomable...explainable only by the way of God....eternal power that is proof and sign that God is real.....

Oh and if you read the book of Romans chapter one....verses 19 and 20....

Along with Psalm 19:1

You will see that I am not the only one who's thought about this....

Amen?
......

Hope I didn't get sidetracked and that this made sense.

Because I'm eager to proceed to my next lesson....

"The "nature" of God"

 

[psychoslice]

There is much that we don't know as humans, and there is no reason to make up reasons, its best to just admit we don't know..........but I have to say that science sounds a lot more convincing than the mad ideas of creationism.

 

[McBell]

I cannot help but be sorely disappointed.

 

[Scott Russell]

I must not have made sense to you.
But honestly we do know...and it can be proven.

 

[McBell]

I must not have made sense to you.

If that is your story.....
Perhaps you should work on your presentation?

 

[Scott Russell]

If that is your story.....
Perhaps you should work on your presentation?

Actually ure 100 percent correct.
And my final drafts have been written...
And I'll take the time to do it later....
Thank you for your help.

 

[McBell]

But honestly we do know...and it can be proven.

Then I would suggest presenting some of your alleged proof in your opening argument.

 

[Scott Russell]

Read Psalm 19 1 and Romans 1 19 and 20.
First and tell me wat you think....
There are many different versions so I suggest you read them all.

 

[Lyndon]

Wow this guy's great, he;s already got Mestemia reading the Bible!!

 

[Nietzsche]

Actually ure 100 percent correct.
And my final drafts have been written...
And I'll take the time to do it later....
Thank you for your help.

Question. Is English your first language?

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Scott; Youll find that actually this is just not as complicated as you think...To put it plainly - Our Father ( NOT the god of the bible - but rather - the legitimate source of creation itself that Christ alone spoke of) - this primal Spirit, quite literally IMAGINES the creation - it occurs by force of Divine Will(power) - all existance is happening right now contained within the MIND of this primal spirit - and look - its ALL explained already in fine and logical detail and sequence, by Christ directly - but not to be found in the bible at all - for as said, the "god" of that narrative there is not the SOURCE of creation itself.....

I suggest instead - to read a manuscript now known as the SECRET gospel of John...And YES Folks - that is the SAME Disciple John, who is supposed to have written a few ordained gospels in the bible - except of course those bible ones that bare his name are NOT actually claimed by him at all directly, and are actually written by someone else a long long time later and not disciple John at all - in fact most of the bible new testemant is the same in hat it is NOT DIRECT TESTIMONY from Christ or Disciple at all - it is at best - a twisted half truth -and in places it is outright deception......

Here though for this issue of the first creation process - read this SECRET John as it is known - page one see him declare up front who he is and why he is writng - it is indeed Disciple John speaking directly - and he will then go on to tell us of an out of body, purely spiritual encounter with the risen Christ - who will then explain quite literally EVERYTHING to John regarding Creation - and John will duitfully record it first hand for us all to now read....

I personally find the whole subject utterly fascinating - really did want and need to know who I am and how I got here - and to that end I am very familiar with this god of the bible and also very familiar with CHRIST - who to my understanding is really the only authority to listen to here regarding such metaphysical truths..He says things VERY dofferentyl thiough to how your bible version presents it - so as I suggest - read that SECRET John to get a good idea of HIS truth compared ot the "bible truth"...

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Usual erroneous creationist garbage. The Big Bang was not an explosion.

 

[Lyndon]

It sure would have blowed you up real good!! Me too!! LOL

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Its NOT an explosion at all - how could it be..?...NOTHING here to explode !!

Its more like - an expansion - and an "arrival" - as a sea of "energy" expands and causes space to become REALISED ( as in literally - MADE REAL)...If anything - we should rename it -the Big Shine lol.. as dark empty void became now vibrational energy - and we term this base commodity - Light - therefore this first event - is not an explosion at all - its like someone "switched the Light on"..A Big Shine...lol..

And what is this "energy"..???....Hmmmm - tricky - it DOESNT ACTUALLY EXIST - its a fully abstract NOTION and a CONCEPT that has NO MATERIAL COMPONENT AT ALL...Energy is fully none physical - yet it will then go on to form alt he "material" things we call Universe....Its - all an ILLUSION - a trick of the MIND - for as said my Father literally imagines that which it Will Be

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Wow. I remember having this arguement in 2nd grade.

Alrighty. 2nd grade counter-arguement......How did God get there?

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

lol - 2nd grade indeed - lol

"god" - the true Source of Creation I mean - didnt "get" anywhere - lol - for He / She / It - is EVERYWHERE at all times...lol...Do you think a 2nd grader could possibly grasp that..??..

All things flow from this SOURCE of everything - the clue is in the word of course..lol...ALL things - including your notions of "time and space" - thats another clue - all NOTIONS and CONCEPTS and IDEAS - anything you can IMAGINE flows FROM this SOURCE - for as said - it is indeed - a MIND

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Hi Folks..

lol - 2nd grade indeed - lol

"god" - the true Source of Creation I mean - didnt "get" anywhere - lol - for He / She / It - is EVERYWHERE at all times...lol...Do you think a 2nd grader could possibly grasp that..??..

All things flow from this SOURCE of everything - the clue is in the word of course..lol...ALL things - including your notions of "time and space" - thats another clue - all NOTIONS and CONCEPTS and IDEAS - anything you can IMAGINE flows FROM this SOURCE - for as said - it is indeed - a MIND

Yes. I recall the conversation with my friend.
So? Where did this SOURCE, and/or MIND come from?

 

[Onyx]

If matter cannot be created or destroyed.

Matter (atoms) can be created and destroyed, except that there is a tradeoff with energy (heat).

The "big bang theory" is just that, a theory. There is an expansion of space between galaxies, and also no known limits of heat or gravity that would disallow the entire universe from starting out very small.

I never understood why creationists have such a problem with science. Is it because some people take old words in old dusty books way too literally?

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Daemon; Ah my friend - you are missing the whole vital point - it is the SOURCE of everything - it didnt "come" from anywhere or any time - BUT - all space and time COMES from IT

Now I cant really expect you (all) to grasp that fully...Its the kind of thing that needs to be experienced tt be understood..We exist for now fully encased in a body that exists already WITHIN both time and space - but I assure you (all) it is not our natural conditon, and it is entirely possible actually, upon occassion, to step "outside" both time and space HERE and yet still expererice the Self directly, as formless, without body or mass - existing as a vastly expanded mind..

In THAT state of mind it becomes very easy to grasp all this metaphysical truth...But in this limited mortal body mind such an existance without physical form seems totally - alien - and "unimaginable"...I assure you directly though, it is a valid state that anyone of us can experience directly for our Self...

The Source Mind didnt "come" from anywhere - as all notions of space itself, come directly FROM the mind...Similar - this Mind HAS always existed - as time itself literally flows FROM the mind as a stream of sequential Self awareness and the events that symbolise that Self awareness...Literally - everything is the domain of IMAGINATION

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Hi Folks...

Daemon; Ah my friend - you are missing the whole vital point - it is the SOURCE of everything - it didnt "come" from anywhere or any time - BUT - all space and time COMES from IT

Now I cant really expect you (all) to grasp that fully...Its the kind of thing that needs to be experienced tt be understood..We exist for now fully encased in a body that exists already WITHIN both time and space - but I assure you (all) it is not our natural conditon, and it is entirely possible actually, upon occassion, to step "outside" both time and space HERE and yet still expererice the Self directly, as formless, without body or mass - existing as a vastly expanded mind..

In THAT state of mind it becomes very easy to grasp all this metaphysical truth...But in this limited mortal body mind such an existance without physical form seems totally - alien - and "unimaginable"...I assure you directly though, it is a valid state that anyone of us can experience directly for our Self...

The Source Mind didnt "come" from anywhere - as all notions of space itself, come directly FROM the mind...Similar - this Mind HAS always existed - as time itself literally flows FROM the mind as a stream of sequential Self awareness and the events that symbolise that Self awareness...Literally - everything is the domain of IMAGINATION

Oh I grasp and understand the concept, but it doesn't answer the question. Your stating that this all-pervasive Mind has always existed (the bold underlined I added to your text), is the same as any religious follower saying "God always existed"; which of course is a non-answer.

Unless your posts are all just a sly wink to the Descartes crowd. In which case, kudos.