Big bang theory?

[Onlooker]

If you believe the goofy story to be true which I certainly do not. It was obviously written by some ignoramus who believed showing animals environmental cues causes pheotypic changes.

<--I really love this icon, it says it all sometimes

I think my next post on this thread will get back to the Big Bang, there's another thread on the nature of scientific theory more appropriate for a discussion of the scientific method.

Appreciate your opinion.
Remember, I dont know what they meant by the story: changed phenotype or changed identity so the solid color choose their "new" identity speckled to mate (thats also assuming the speckled gene is dominant).
To me, this is a science experiment in the making.
I assumed your liking of the science process/big bang theory (we have become off subject a bit) you would consider this interesting.
Specifically, big bang stuff, this 3000+ year old document called the torah accurately describes the "day" as night then day. The Hebrews are the only tribe that I know of that uses a "day" described as night then day.
The science as we know it today, describes the "sizzling sea of quarks" slowly cooling to a point that photons can escape and have "light" (about 700 k years later). Dark then light=day one.
No matter how you look at it, thats pretty good mystical document.

 

[EtuMalku]

Beauty exists in music and the universe. Humans will never know what existed before the Big Bang, but we do know what exists after the explosion. In 1965 at Bell Laboratories in New Jersey, two radio astronomers, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, developed a well-calibrated-hypersensitive, 20-foot horn-shaped antenna. The antenna was designed to detect radio waves bounced off echo balloon satellites.

No matter where they pointed this antenna at the sky, they heard the same hum. This was not their expected result. Penzias and Wilson thought they had made a mistake. They even considered the possibility that it was due to "a white dielectric substance" (pigeon droppings) in their horn. Their puzzling findings were published in a famous paper, Excess Antenna Temperature at 4080 Mc/s. Penzias and Wilson were radio astronomers, with expertise in electronics rather than cosmology.

It soon came to their attention through Robert Dicke and Jim Peebles at Princeton that this unexpected noise, this background radiation, had been predicted years earlier by George Gamow as a relic of the evolution of the early Universe. Penzias and Wilson had, in fact, accidentally discovered the Cosmic Background Radiation, the fingerprint of the early Universe, the echo of the Big Bang. In 1978 Messrs Penzias and Wilson were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for their discovery.

The Cosmic Background Radiation is a residual vibration from the explosion of the Big Bang, vibrating at a frequency of 4080 Mega Hertz (4,080,000,000 Hertz). All vibrations can be interpreted as sound. Octaves are defined as the lower frequency being half that of its higher frequency. For example, A 3 = 440 Hz and one octave above is A 4 at 880 Hz. Twenty-two octaves below The Big Note (4,080,000,000 Hertz), is calculated to be 972.75 Hz. This is slightly lower than B 4 at 987.77 Hz and somewhat higher than B Flat 4 at 932.33 Hz, in equal-tempered tuning. Therefore, the Universe is resonating at a tone a little flatter than B, as defined by standard tuning.

Physicists think that time began with the Big Bang. Today, just about every scientist believes in the Big Bang model. The evidence is overwhelming enough that in 1951, the Catholic Church officially pronounced the Big Bang model to be in accordance with the Bible. The Tibetan Gyuto Monks perform Buddhist ceremonies while chanting on one fundamental note. Their refined chanting technique enables each member of the choir to sing a three-note chord, exciting the harmonics of the fundamental drone note. A listening to their recording for Windham Hill Records reveals that the monks are droning on a note slightly flatter than B, exciting all the overtones above. Their valve-less brass horns are designed to play this note as the fundamental partial. The Gyuto Monks have been resonating the Big Note for the past 500 years at the Gyuto Monastery in Lhasa, Tibet, now living in exile in Dharamsala, India.

There is no explanation as to why the monks drone on that particular note. Penzias and Wilson's Nobel Prize winning discovery was an accident. The Big Note is an incredible combination of science, art and religion.

 

[KnightOwl]

i think its the same as everyone else. except the 6000 years creationist, think it happened 6000 years ago.

I don't think young earth creationists (YEC) can have an understanding of the big bang because I think you need to believe science can determine things about time-space more accurately than the Bible in order to arrive at the Big Bang Theory in the first place. I'm no physicist but am currently reading Hawking's "A Brief History of Time"

Once you start using science to figure out how long ago something was your view of creation start to be on very thin ground if you're a YEC.

 

[KnightOwl]

Although Albert Einstein did not believe in a personal God his discoveries induced a reverential attitude in him. He admitted: "You will hardly find one among the profunder sort of scientific minds without a religious feeling of his own. Religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of the law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beeings is an utterly insignificant reflection".

In other words this unverse is too wonderfully made to be the outcome of a random explosion !!!

Have a nice day.

Wow! Please do not do the condensed version of anything I say. What he said and what you said appear to me to be two different things.

 

[Know it all.]

It's the only thing that can ultimately save us. Without it Earth's life has no hope after the Sun goes nova in 4 billion years or so (or with the advent of some other massive extinction event).

It is noteworthy to point out that people as quoted above are seeking a salvation too, of course science offers a physical salvation instead of a spiritual salvation but the ramifications are the same.

This is a big reason why science and Atheism are viewed as Theocracy (study of God) and as a religion because science is dreamed of making humanity better, and science to the rescue (salvation) and science to give meaning to life.

That might seem as if I am giving science and Atheism a negative criticism but I do not mean it that way as I take science and Atheist as my own brethren seeking after the truth and more.

This is why the "Big-Bang" is just a scientific term for their scientific creation day.

:thud:

 

[DeistPrimate]

I assumed your liking of the science process/big bang theory (we have become off subject a bit) you would consider this interesting.
Specifically, big bang stuff, this 3000+ year old document called the torah accurately describes the "day" as night then day. The Hebrews are the only tribe that I know of that uses a "day" described as night then day.
The science as we know it today, describes the "sizzling sea of quarks" slowly cooling to a point that photons can escape and have "light" (about 700 k years later). Dark then light=day one.
No matter how you look at it, thats pretty good mystical document.

There's still the little issue of the Earth and seed bearing plants apon it existing before the Sun and other stars, not that I can accept your premise of anachronistic knowledge to begin with, sorry.

 

[DeistPrimate]

It is noteworthy to point out that people as quoted above are seeking a salvation too, of course science offers a physical salvation instead of a spiritual salvation but the ramifications are the same.

No since one is real while the other isn't.

 

[PolyHedral]

The science as we know it today, describes the "sizzling sea of quarks" slowly cooling to a point that photons can escape and have "light" (about 700 k years later). Dark then light=day one.
No matter how you look at it, thats pretty good mystical document.

Not really. It would be totally inaccurate to describe the pre-seperation universe as "dark", mostly because light is not a coherent entity before then. There isn't a dark just as there isn't a heavy, because it's impossible to distinguish light from gravity.

 

[PennyKay]

Beauty exists in music and the universe. Humans will never know what existed before the Big Bang, but we do know what exists after the explosion. In 1965 at Bell Laboratories in New Jersey, two radio astronomers, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, developed a well-calibrated-hypersensitive, 20-foot horn-shaped antenna. The antenna was designed to detect radio waves bounced off echo balloon satellites.

No matter where they pointed this antenna at the sky, they heard the same hum. This was not their expected result. Penzias and Wilson thought they had made a mistake. They even considered the possibility that it was due to "a white dielectric substance" (pigeon droppings) in their horn. Their puzzling findings were published in a famous paper, Excess Antenna Temperature at 4080 Mc/s. Penzias and Wilson were radio astronomers, with expertise in electronics rather than cosmology.

It soon came to their attention through Robert Dicke and Jim Peebles at Princeton that this unexpected noise, this background radiation, had been predicted years earlier by George Gamow as a relic of the evolution of the early Universe. Penzias and Wilson had, in fact, accidentally discovered the Cosmic Background Radiation, the fingerprint of the early Universe, the echo of the Big Bang. In 1978 Messrs Penzias and Wilson were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for their discovery.

The Cosmic Background Radiation is a residual vibration from the explosion of the Big Bang, vibrating at a frequency of 4080 Mega Hertz (4,080,000,000 Hertz). All vibrations can be interpreted as sound. Octaves are defined as the lower frequency being half that of its higher frequency. For example, A 3 = 440 Hz and one octave above is A 4 at 880 Hz. Twenty-two octaves below The Big Note (4,080,000,000 Hertz), is calculated to be 972.75 Hz. This is slightly lower than B 4 at 987.77 Hz and somewhat higher than B Flat 4 at 932.33 Hz, in equal-tempered tuning. Therefore, the Universe is resonating at a tone a little flatter than B, as defined by standard tuning.

Physicists think that time began with the Big Bang. Today, just about every scientist believes in the Big Bang model. The evidence is overwhelming enough that in 1951, the Catholic Church officially pronounced the Big Bang model to be in accordance with the Bible. The Tibetan Gyuto Monks perform Buddhist ceremonies while chanting on one fundamental note. Their refined chanting technique enables each member of the choir to sing a three-note chord, exciting the harmonics of the fundamental drone note. A listening to their recording for Windham Hill Records reveals that the monks are droning on a note slightly flatter than B, exciting all the overtones above. Their valve-less brass horns are designed to play this note as the fundamental partial. The Gyuto Monks have been resonating the Big Note for the past 500 years at the Gyuto Monastery in Lhasa, Tibet, now living in exile in Dharamsala, India.

There is no explanation as to why the monks drone on that particular note. Penzias and Wilson's Nobel Prize winning discovery was an accident. The Big Note is an incredible combination of science, art and religion.

Are these your own words?

 

[David M]

Are these your own words?

Earliest use on the web seems to be here:
UNIO MUSIQA: The Big Note

 

[Onlooker]

There's still the little issue of the Earth and seed bearing plants apon it existing before the Sun and other stars, not that I can accept your premise of anachronistic knowledge to begin with, sorry.

The expanse was created on "day" 2, "and God said let there be an expanse between the waters and the water from water"..."called it sky"..
Science termed this as "molecular clouds" (light atomic nuclei forming with heavier atomic nuclei). Interesting that molecular clouds, stellar nursery and interstellar medium describe this early time frame. I believe "waters" is not bad. Milky way formed 13.4 billion years ago, solar system 4.6 billion years ago, all from "molecular clouds"..
Earth in the scriptures occurred on "day" 3 - let the water be gathered... let dry ground..."God called the dry land Earth"....
The assembly of earth took @ 10-20 million years from gases 4.5 billion years ago. 1st atmosphere is hydrogen and helium and heat.

I never said the earth was formed prior to the solar system, it happened all pretty quickly around the same time frame.

 

[Onlooker]

Not really. It would be totally inaccurate to describe the pre-seperation universe as "dark", mostly because light is not a coherent entity before then. There isn't a dark just as there isn't a heavy, because it's impossible to distinguish light from gravity.

Right.
Bottom line, no light, then light = "day" in the 3000+ year old "mystical" document called torah.
It took us bright Scientist, um, when would that be, maybe the last 50 years to figure out that the actual beginning of our universe was actually, um not a bright light blasting things outward, but darkness (for whatever reason), light comes later (much later).

Hey, this is my 100th post, is there a hug from somebody?

 

[Thief]

With a face like that?

 

[outhouse]

The expanse was created on "day" 2,

Bottom line, no light, then light = "day" in the 3000+ year old "

im not sure but you may be assuming to much.

the ancient hebrew patchwork of writings called genesis, did not have a clue about real history or the creation of the universe.

your reaching into imagination to try and make the old story work.

 

[EtuMalku]

Earliest use on the web seems to be here:
UNIO MUSIQA: The Big Note

Ok, the secret is out . . . SIRIUSB is Etu Malku . . . :thud::faint:

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

Looking at all the scientific research and observation, I see no evidence the Big Bang theory could be construed as a credible "God theory". There has never been a God theory of anything as such and I doubt if there ever will.

 

[DeistPrimate]

I never said the earth was formed prior to the solar system, it happened all pretty quickly around the same time frame.

No but the Torah / Old Testament says the earth and even seed bearing plants on it existed before the Sun and other stars and you're claiming these texts contain anachronistic scientific knowledge which is obviously bull pucky.

Hey, this is my 100th post, is there a hug from somebody?

:::gives man hug anyway:::

 

[Onlooker]

No but the Torah / Old Testament says the earth and even seed bearing plants on it existed before the Sun and other stars and you're claiming these texts contain anachronistic scientific knowledge which is obviously bull pucky.



:::gives man hug anyway:::

A BRUG (Bro Hug), thanks.
I think the problem we non Hebrew readers have is the translation issues.
Its been described as caging a lion.
Example: "And there was evening and morning-Day one" in our "English bibles". The torah scholars in 1200 AD describe it.. " and there was confusion (forms that mingle = evening) and distinguishing (clarity= morning)." Essentially they were saying disorder to order.
This was said over and over, ...and God...and there was evening and morning.....
As a kid I would scratch my head and say, evening and morning?
Now, to me, it makes better sense, they were saying God was creating our universe first out of nothing (tohu) then formed elements (bohu) and order was created, day after day, chaos to order.

 

[rusra02]

Simple question:

What is a creationists understanding of the big bang theory?

If by creationist you are referring to so-called young earth creationists, i am not a creationist. If you are asking a believer in creation about their understanding, I can reply:
There is considerable debate about the big bang theory amongst scientists. This debate does not change the fundamental truth found in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."
The Bible speaks of God as the Almighty, a limitless source of energy or power. Energy may be turned into matter, and vice-versa. It is therefore scientifically plausible that matter was created by a source of limitless energy. The Bible does not describe the time or method the Creator used to bring the universe into existence.
It is simply called the 'Beginning' in the Bible.
Therefore, as scientists learn more, this increased knowledge can only benefit and enlighten those who believe in a Creator.

 

[outhouse]

This debate does not change the fundamental truth found in Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

the debate has absolutely nothing to do with the creation myth in the bible, and you calling it the truth is only your own personal interpretation.

it states in the bible that a 24 hour day is a day and the term morning in used. Now if your calling the bible a blatant lie then i agree. But if a small part is a lie the whole thing is.

wait we already know genesis is fiction.

There is considerable debate about the big bang theory amongst scientists.

there is not a considerable debate that the universe was formed 13.7 billion yeasr ago by a singularity. There is no debate at all about this. What caused this to happen is open for debate because they dont know what caused it.

because they dont know what happened before then doesnt mean we use our imagination and throw ole magic man in as a cause. That will never happen as magic has no place at all in science

The Bible speaks of God as the Almighty

the hebrews use the word almighty in the bible when they created your god to make the hebrew god more powerfull then the hundreds of pagan gods springing up on every corner.

The Bible does not describe the time or method the Creator used to bring the universe into existence

thats because the hebrew god myth didnt create anything, it was fiction. The hebrews didnt know the first thing about how the universe came to be thats why we have this wild story that doesnt make sense and has been proven a lie.

It is simply called the 'Beginning' in the Bible.

they had to start somewhere now didnt they. if they used the word "hello" you would switch it into what ever meaning you wanted to

Therefore, as scientists learn more, this increased knowledge can only benefit and enlighten those who believe in a Creator.

science already has left the 3000 year old book in the dust.

Now with all that said its great you have a semi open mind to science and your on the right track to accept reality, you can still learn more despite your beliefs so I have no problem with that.

Im not sure you should use your personal opinion to twist the bible to interpret what you want it to say. In my opinion thats the biggest mistake the religious have been doing since the start.

when the bible was written it was written to be read allegorically because they wanted you to pull out the benifits and goodness from the fiction. People get to carried away with it all and when you cross the literal line you left what the multiple unknown authors were trying to get across and the point is lost.