So how about this, way back in the day like 4 trill+ years ago, God/ Allah created the earth by making the big bang?!?!?! And then (Bible/Quran reference) he made various life forms some which evolved leading the way for dinosaurs, animals and humans. Like Darwinism, or selection of the fittest etc., but humans didn't come from monkeys or descend from fish etc. Like as the earth was ready the specific new species would be created after some other species had already start to evolve a bit that way, we still see evolution today. Some article was talking about a boy in China whose eyes glow like a cat's. Anyone who can look at these incredible miracles and only see the science isn't looking at the whole big picture. Anyone who can look at these amazing things and only see the science is guilty of the same biased. I mean no offense by this. All humans are naturally biased, but what if both are true Creationism and Big Bang /Evolution.
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Big bang
- Thread starter happyo
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Hi Happy!
My humble understanding is God is the greatest scientist of them all and so used science to create the universe. We see it everywhere, in gravity, in physics and electricity that God used science as a servant to do His Bidding.
I don't see any conflict between God and science or religion and science as God is a Scientist also.
We Baha'is understand that man didn't come from the animal but did evolve. The human embryo begins with a single cell like the seed of a great tree. In the cell are all the genetic instructions as well as the blueprint for a human being but not until it has changed form and shape many times in the womb over a period of time does it eventually become in the form of a human. But it was always a human to begin with not an animal cell.
In evolution it's the same. The human cell will always produce the exact same human whether today or 5,000 years ago if you look at the Egyptian mummies.
We are still learning but we must accept that science will uncover more truth and expand upon its current knowledge. We should always accept proven science (not theoretical science) because God Himself is a Scientist.
The Big Bang if proven would have been kick started by God we believe. Everything has a first Cause except God.
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They probably both are and are different ways of seeing the same thing. I personally believe there is conscious intelligence involved in all this; and that would be the big difference between myself (a pantheist) and an atheist.
VioletVortex
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The topic of a sentient creator behind the alleged "big bang" is one commonly explored. If the big bang were true, the concept of some sort of sentience being behind it would be pretty reasonable.
Depends on what you mean specifically by creationism. If you mean creationism as "the Earth and universe are 6,000 years old and all life was created more or less as-is from the get-go" then no, it's not compatible with the Big Bang or evolution. If by creationism you mean "God created the universe", then it is.
The Baha'i Faith is a religion which believes in the unity of mankind and the oneness of religion.
Our main goal is world peace and world unity. To be a Baha'i means to love all humanity and try to serve it.
"If you desire with all your heart, friendship with every race on earth, your thought, spiritual and positive, will spread; it will become the desire of others, growing stronger and stronger, until it reaches the minds of all men.” (Baha'i Writings)
I do mean only that God created it
Shouldn't be a problem then.
What is the problem
Even from a scientific point of view it is statistically impossible for the big bang to have occurred and formed our galaxy with our earth perfectly positioned for life and all of the atmosphere and land etc just perfect etc unless by divine intervention and it didn't only happen here we don't have the only planet with life none of it is coincidental. Sorry for my run on lol I always forget to end a sentence when I text lol
I was speaking in terms of contradictions. That particular definition of creationism would not be in contradiction to the Big Bang or evolution.
All of this conjecture lands up with: "where was 'God' before the creation ?"
Was 'God' in the nothingness or in the singularity ?
I guess He borrowed the plasma from the singularity to make everything.
That's a lot of stars for a week's work, but it was just a 'snap' of his fingers.
But.......as Happyo almost said: "...it was after the big bang..., wasn't it ?"
Anyways.....the 'beginning' seems to be the problem, doesn't it ?
And as I like to add: "from where did the water come", who 'created' it ?
The Bible says the water was already there......
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Boy.....around and around and..........
'mud
Was 'God' in the nothingness or in the singularity ?
I guess He borrowed the plasma from the singularity to make everything.
That's a lot of stars for a week's work, but it was just a 'snap' of his fingers.
But.......as Happyo almost said: "...it was after the big bang..., wasn't it ?"
Anyways.....the 'beginning' seems to be the problem, doesn't it ?
And as I like to add: "from where did the water come", who 'created' it ?
The Bible says the water was already there......
~
Boy.....around and around and..........
'mud
The Bible has some things right and a lot of things wrong and if it didn't happen by God then how was it possible on it own, stars are still being formed burning out etc but the actual first event that kicked it all off, where did that plasma come from? Was it just sitting there hanging around for nothing, came from no where? I think the universe is so huge that we literally can not understand it even the extremely insignificant bit of real estate that we can see is still unfathomable in our small minds. That's where he came from. The beyond, out there, everywhere
And scientifically speaking the Quran offers better explanation. It hasn't been butchered by bad men trying to line their pocketbooks and edited by others seeking power. However, it also leaves a lot to b explained and Islam itself has been corrupted by humans and evilness. But, even if no one book has it all right doesn't mean He doesn't exist and love us all.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I agree with this other than life on other planets... do you believe in ET?- other sentient life forms out there? if so why?
I believe it because I think our government is lying about something there, and why would we be the only ones? There's no reason not to believe it and it's more probable that there is some sort of somewhat intelligent or far more advanced life out there somewhere. How could our one incredible planet be the only one.
jonathan180iq
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The Big Bang didn't create the Earth - the Big Bang simply released an astronomical amount of simple atoms and laid the foundation through which first light could occur, some 400,000-1M years later. After entire generations of stars lived out the totality of their existence, they created heavier elements upon their collapse. (Nucleosynthesis) This eventually lead to the possibility of planets and moons forming from accretion discs around secondary and tertiary star formations all throughout the expanding Universe. A combination of physical laws and constantly-emerging chemical combinations eventually lead to some of those planets and moons producing environments hospitable to life. Just like the simpler molecules before it, life adapted and changed based on it's environmental constraints, increasing in complexity and spreading over a myriad of settings, eventually resulting in your existence. One day you'll die, and pretty soon afterwards so will the Sun that feeds this planet with energy. The entirety of human history won't even be a memory, just like the vast majority of the rest of the Universe - But don't lose hope! Some other organism somewhere in the Universe might eventually gain enough cognitive power to formulate a question such as yours, and contemplate whether or not something like it existed in a time before...
Or they could attribute everything cool to an invisible magic man in the sky and do a real disservice to the fact that you are pondering these questions...