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Biggest Problem of Christianity (Vicarious Redemption)

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
I think you're the enemy of humanity, because whoever chooses to go against their creator and teaches others to do so very simply leaves the creator no choice but to condemn. It's mutiny.
I think people who do nothing but lick the boots and kiss the rear ends of leaders, even Gods, are enemies of humanity. God can make sycophants out of rocks. What is the point of associating Morality with our Salvation if it can be thrown out the second God complains?
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I would rather be sent to hell for being moral than get into heaven despite being immoral.
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
I think people who do nothing but lick the boots and kiss the rear ends of leaders, even Gods, are enemies of humanity. God can make sycophants out of rocks. What is the point of associating Morality with our Salvation if it can be thrown out the second God complains?
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I would rather be sent to hell for being moral than get into heaven despite being immoral.
Why would God complain about us being moral?
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Or maybe this creator could, you know, shut up, listen and reflect as to why its creations are so unhappy with it and try to recify their grievances. We didn't ask to come into existence and be subject to this entity and its whims.
He does everything for a good reason.
 

Cary Cook

Member
There are many criticisms I could make of Christianity, but to me the biggest problem is also the central, most fundamental doctrine of Christianity, namely, Christ's supposed substitutionary atonement for the sins of mankind. The idea is that since humankind sinned by rebelling against God, that God must punish humanity for their sins, however, instead of punishing mankind, the story goes that God literally tortures and kills his own innocent son in man's place. This is the probably the most profoundly stupid and immoral doctrine anyone could come up with. Why would God torture and kill an entirely innocent person for the sins of others? Why could he not just forgive the sins of humankind without having to torture and kill his own son (who, paradoxically, also happens to be himself, but that's another issue for another post). I can anticipate that the response is that justice has to be delivered, and someone must receive a punishment, and Jesus willingly chose to take the punishment for mankind. But there is obviously a problem with this, since Jesus receiving man's punishment is not justice at all, in fact, it is simply indiscriminate vengeance on God's part. Basically, Christians are saying that God is so angry that he has to violently punish someone. It doesn't matter who he punishes, as long as someone gets punished. He can't just forgive humankind, he has to vicariously sacrifice himself to himself and punish himself to save humankind from his own indiscriminate anger. How can anyone think this doctrine makes the least bit of sense, from a moral or rational perspective? Do y'all actually think the guy who created the whole universe is this twisted and convoluted?
Thank you for this post.
Justice is that which is deserved. Crimes warrant commensurate punishment. No crime warrants eternal punishment. Any amount of evil can be balanced with an equal amount of good.

Nothing corrupts a person's sense of justice more than faith in an unjust God.
 
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