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Black Holes

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I agree, two different forms of light, and the physical light like other forms of our material universe disappear in a black hole. A light from heaven would be in another dimension of reality, just like Satan zipping around the universe. It is all very theoretical. I would be in trouble if I had to prove any of it.
I think it stands to reason

I believe the peace of heaven is guarded

something must be done with the 'less than peaceful' spirit
 

Repox

Truth Seeker
I think it stands to reason

I believe the peace of heaven is guarded

something must be done with the 'less than peaceful' spirit
In the past few years I've had a series of dreams about supernatural matters. One dream informed that Satan was imprisoned in the universe after causing trouble in heaven. So, I think the universe was designed for that purpose. Unfortunately, we are stuck with the beast in our midst. My theory is Satan, like all other angels, was created to be immortal. Therefore, he will survive as long as the universe exists. Satan causes trouble and havoc. I think Satan can move large masses such as galaxies. I know this sounds crazy, but I think those dark scares on the boundary of the universe have been caused by Satan amassing a string of galaxies and forcing them at great speed to crash into the boundary of the universe. Satan is desperate to escape the universe and return to heaven.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
In the past few years I've had a series of dreams about supernatural matters. One dream informed that Satan was imprisoned in the universe after causing trouble in heaven. So, I think the universe was designed for that purpose. Unfortunately, we are stuck with the beast in our midst. My theory is Satan, like all other angels, was created to be immortal. Therefore, he will survive as long as the universe exists. Satan causes trouble and havoc. I think Satan can move large masses such as galaxies. I know this sounds crazy, but I think those dark scares on the boundary of the universe have been caused by Satan amassing a string of galaxies and forcing them at great speed to crash into the boundary of the universe. Satan is desperate to escape the universe and return to heaven.
that's not much different than my viewpoint
except the Adversary is seeking the dark from which all things came from

God is in control and the universe responds to His Call and Touch
the Adversary would have such for himself if he could

so on the physical plane....God is the Almighty

on the spiritual plane....
the Adversary is attempting to undo the formation of Man.....first...
by deception
by reducing our ability to set our mind and heart in a manner as to survive the last breath
by posing in our development any distraction that can preoccupy our attention
and cause us to fall short the grace of God and heaven
 

Repox

Truth Seeker
that's not much different than my viewpoint
except the Adversary is seeking the dark from which all things came from

God is in control and the universe responds to His Call and Touch
the Adversary would have such for himself if he could

so on the physical plane....God is the Almighty

on the spiritual plane....
the Adversary is attempting to undo the formation of Man.....first...
by deception
by reducing our ability to set our mind and heart in a manner as to survive the last breath
by posing in our development any distraction that can preoccupy our attention
and cause us to fall short the grace of God and heaven
I think much of what goes on in the universe is based on God's design, it is a prison for Satan. There are two separate worlds, heaven and the universe, both for exist different purposes. Also, heaven is where eternal God resides. The universe is a different world, one where material forces dominate, and where Satan is imprisoned. Before there were humans, other species where on earth, and there no other live forms in the universe. Again, it is because of God's design for the universe. What scientists conclude about the universe if they understood it's purpose? I believe it would present some interesting questions to explore.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I think much of what goes on in the universe is based on God's design, it is a prison for Satan. There are two separate worlds, heaven and the universe, both for exist different purposes. Also, heaven is where eternal God resides. The universe is a different world, one where material forces dominate, and where Satan is imprisoned. Before there were humans, other species where on earth, and there no other live forms in the universe. Again, it is because of God's design for the universe. What scientists conclude about the universe if they understood it's purpose? I believe it would present some interesting questions to explore.
so...if heaven is not the universe (one word)
and the devil is trapped in it

we are trapped with him until we die

most dogmatic religion would have you believe
hell is an afterlife situation....trapped with the devil
on a spiritual plane
 

Repox

Truth Seeker
so...if heaven is not the universe (one word)
and the devil is trapped in it

we are trapped with him until we die

most dogmatic religion would have you believe
hell is an afterlife situation....trapped with the devil
on a spiritual plane
I think we are collateral damage from the fall of paradise. Most of what I believe however is not found anywhere else, although some is found in the Bible. I think the key to the whole business is obedience to God's Commandments. It certainly is not a liberal idea. Most everyone wants freedom, including freedom from God's rule.

Satan, Lucifer, or whatever you want to call "it" is unlike humans. The angel Satan was created to be with God, and therefore is immortal. Humans are just another species. Without our symbolic communication abilities, we would be advanced apes, or some such species. We die and turn to dust. Satan goes on terrorizing God's creation.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I think we are collateral damage from the fall of paradise. Most of what I believe however is not found anywhere else, although some is found in the Bible. I think the key to the whole business is obedience to God's Commandments. It certainly is not a liberal idea. Most everyone wants freedom, including freedom from God's rule.

Satan, Lucifer, or whatever you want to call "it" is unlike humans. The angel Satan was created to be with God, and therefore is immortal. Humans are just another species. Without our symbolic communication abilities, we would be advanced apes, or some such species. We die and turn to dust. Satan goes on terrorizing God's creation.
I believe we are intended to live with God and heaven

what we believe is that portion within us that gets in the way

after the last breath...the question will be
What do you believe?
followed by
Who told you that and why did you believe it?
 

Repox

Truth Seeker
I believe we are intended to live with God and heaven

what we believe is that portion within us that gets in the way

after the last breath...the question will be
What do you believe?
followed by
Who told you that and why did you believe it?
I don't know if humans will be in heaven. I have some doubts based on some dreams. In one dream about OT times, God said, "they didn't obey my commandments, not one single commandment." Then, when I take into account what I know about heaven it makes sense. I've had dreams about Satan in heaven. His trouble began when he decided to be a god. It might have worked for a while, but then he began attacking the other angels. Now, in heaven, there is God and worshipping angels. My impression is there are no creatures in heaven independent from God. Oh, yes, there are two Gods in a sphere. I know that is not a traditional idea about God. Duality might be one of the best kept secrets about God.

I believe God made a promise to be with earthly creations. It is written in Rev. 21 about the heavenly city sent to earth for God's people. If there is a heaven for earthy creatures it will be the second paradise. The first paradise during the dinosaur era about 65 million years ago is gone.
 
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