Black or White?

[mojtaba]

Hi.
Is there difference between people that have black skin and people that have white skin?
Quran says that difference between the color of peopel's skin is a Sign of God, not a difference between people themselves.
Quran, 30: 22 "And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours, verily in that are Signs for those who know."

So, what makes someone better than another one?
Quran, 49: 13 " O mankind! We created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

 

[Skwim]

Hi.
Is there difference between people that have black skin and people that have white skin?
Quran says that difference between the color of peopel's skin is a Sign of God, not a difference between people themselves.
Quran, 30: 22 "And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your languages and your colours, verily in that are Signs for those who know."

So, what makes someone better than another one?
Quran, 49: 13 " O mankind! We created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

What is this sign a sign of?

 

[JRMcC]

Uhh I think their the same except some minor details like skin complexion. And I think that's a result of evolution but I'm not an expert on the issue... I wouldn't look to religious scripture on a question like this.

 

[029b10]

So, what makes someone better than another one?
Quran, 49: 13 " O mankind! We created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "

We created you? So Allah alone isn't the Creator?

 

[ChristineES]

The difference between people who have lighter skin tone and darker skin tone is that one is darker and the other is lighter. There is no other difference that I am aware of. Any differences in people is from various cultures and all that. I am not a sociologist, so I never studied that.

 

[metis]

Skin color says nothing about what's found on the inside, and I would suggest that what's within is far important than our skin.

 

[mojtaba]

What is this sign a sign of?

This sign is the sing of God. Who has created us and put the color of people's skin a color that is appropriate to climate conditions.

 

[Jumi]

Skin color? Means absolutely nothing to me.

 

[Kirran]

This sign is the sing of God. Who has created us and put the color of people's skin a color that is appropriate to climate conditions.

Absolutely, this could have been done through evolution.

Pale skin has emerged twice, as far as we know, once in Neanderthals, from whom the East Asians got it during a separate interbreeding event, and then again much later in Europeans, around 10,000 years ago.

Variation in the human genome is so low. We're all incredibly similar.

 

[mojtaba]

Absolutely, this could have been done through evolution.

Pale skin has emerged twice, as far as we know, once in Neanderthals, from whom the East Asians got it during a separate interbreeding event, and then again much later in Europeans, around 10,000 years ago.

Variation in the human genome is so low. We're all incredibly similar.

We believe that there are natural laws for any phenomena. As well, we believe that God has created nature and nature with all its lows are creatures of God.

Variation in the human genome is the result of mutation, but mutation is a low of nature and nature is created by God.

 

[Kirran]

We believe that there are natural laws for any phenomena. As well, we believe that God has created nature and nature whith all its lows are creatures of God.

Variation in the human genome is the result of mutation, but mutation is a low of nature and nature is created by God.

Absolutely.

Does this imply you accept the theory of evolution, as a natural result of laws laid down by God?

 

[metis]

Absolutely, this could have been done through evolution.

Pale skin has emerged twice, as far as we know, once in Neanderthals, from whom the East Asians got it during a separate interbreeding event, and then again much later in Europeans, around 10,000 years ago.

Variation in the human genome is so low. We're all incredibly similar.

The Neanderthal connection to light skin color is speculative because there's an alternative, namely that some form(s) of Cro-Magnon (Hss) came out of southern Asia (India is in the running on this theory, btw), moved westward, and the populations that moved to the heavily treed north of Europe, whereas the sun also is on a sharper angle, encouraged the evolution of lighter skin to help speed up vitamin D production by the body.

 

[Kirran]

The Neanderthal connection to light skin color is speculative because there's an alternative, namely that some form(s) of Cro-Magnon (Hss) came out of southern Asia (India is in the running on this theory, btw), moved westward, and the populations that moved to the heavily treed north of Europe, whereas the sun also is on a sharper angle, encouraged the evolution of lighter skin to help speed up vitamin D production by the body.

Current research seems to indicate that this was indeed the case for Europeans. I don't think we know if it occurred in the Neolithic populations which came into Europe, or in the Mesolithic natives.

However, genetic evidence has been found for a second interbreeding event between Neanderthals and H. sap. in the ancestors to East Asians, and the latter's pale skin alleles correspond to those found in pale-skinned Neanderthals.

 

[metis]

Current research seems to indicate that this was indeed the case for Europeans. I don't think we know if it occurred in the Neolithic populations which came into Europe, or in the Mesolithic natives.

However, genetic evidence has been found for a second interbreeding event between Neanderthals and H. sap. in the ancestors to East Asians, and the latter's pale skin alleles correspond to those found in pale-skinned Neanderthals.

Breeding, yes; and I think it's conceivable that northern forms of Neanderthal mostly in Europe may have had lighter skin, but somewhat less likely in Asia because the northern areas there have relatively few trees. Populations even today in that region have fairly dark skin as compared to northern European populations.

So, I'm not saying you're wrong, only that I'm not sure you're right on the Neanderthal part in Asia, whereas there was more breeding with Hss than in Europe, according to genome testing.

 

[Kirran]

Breeding, yes; and I think it's conceivable that northern forms of Neanderthal mostly in Europe may have had lighter skin, but somewhat less likely in Asia because the northern areas there have relatively few trees. Populations even today in that region have fairly dark skin as compared to northern European populations.

So, I'm not saying you're wrong, only that I'm not sure you're right on the Neanderthal part in Asia, whereas there was more breeding with Hss than in Europe, according to genome testing.

Yeah, I think the especial paleness of populations in Europe and North Africa (outside of Eastern Mediterranean admixture) is due to these indigenous alleles.

Basically the same level of Neanderthal DNA in all non-Sub-Saharan Africans, but there are some extra alleles, from a different source, in the East Asians.

It's very plausible that European Neanderthals were pale-skinned, as we know some of those found much further east were, but I don't think we're sure yet. We know the Middle Eastern Neanderthals, who H. sap. interbred with on the way out of Africa, were dark-skinned.

And absolutely, it was for UV and Vitamin D that these alleles were selected for.

 

[mojtaba]

Please send relevant posts.

 

[Kirran]

Please send relevant posts.

Sorry, we went on a bit of a tangent, but I think what we were discussing illustrates our view that these differences in skin shade, which are clinal as opposed to demically distinct (change gradually, making distinctions into 'black' and 'white' arbitrary), are due just to prehistoric migrations.

 

[mojtaba]

Sorry, we went on a bit of a tangent, but I think what we were discussing illustrates our view that these differences in skin shade, which are clinal as opposed to demically distinct (change gradually, making distinctions into 'black' and 'white' arbitrary), are due just to prehistoric migrations.

But this thread is not about the cause of difference between people's color skin.
It is about the answer of Holy Quran to this question that" Is there difference between people that have black skin and people that have white skin? "

 

[Politesse]

The Holy Qur'an nowhere forbids the discussion of science. Rather, it describes the whole of the natural world, and that must include what we know of the phenotypes that control skin color, as signs for those who know.

Not signs for those who do not know.

It is not the way of the Scriptures to disdain knowledge.

 

[mojtaba]

We created you? So Allah alone isn't the Creator?

Allah is creator of all things.( Quran 13: 16, Say( O Muhammad ): "Allah is the Creator of all things: He is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible. ").
But why "We" is used, please go [URL="https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/mary-and-jesus-in-quran.173492/#post-4152741"]Mary and Jesus in Quran[/URL]