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Black Privilege?

The High Price of Stale Grievances


"In the fall of 2016, I was hired to play in Rihanna’s back-up band at the MTV Video Music Awards... as the date approached, I learned that one of my friends had been fired and replaced. The reason? He was a white Hispanic, and Rihanna’s artistic team had decided to go for an all-black aesthetic—aside from Rihanna’s steady guitarist, there would be no non-blacks on stage...

One thing, however, is clear. If the races were reversed—if a black musician had been fired in order to achieve an all-white aesthetic—it would have made front page headlines. It would have been seen as an unambiguous moral infraction. The usual suspects would be outraged, calling for this event to be viewed in the context of the long history of slavery and Jim Crow in this country, and their reaction would widely be seen as justified. Public-shaming would be in order and heartfelt apologies would be made. MTV might even enact anti-bias trainings as a corrective...

Only a black intellectual, for instance, could write an op-ed arguing that black children should not befriend white children because “[h]istory has provided little reason for people of color to trust white people,” and get it published in the New York Times in 2017. An identical piece with the races reversed would rightly be relegated to fringe white supremacist forums...

...to call it a ‘pro-black bias’ slightly misses the mark. It is better described as a tacit acknowledgement that modern-day blacks must be seen through the filter of history—not as autonomous individuals living in the present, but as dominoes in a chain of causation that stretches back to the middle passage...

Given America’s brutal history of white racism, it is understandable that the pendulum of racial double-standards has swung in the opposite direction—indeed, it is a testament to our laudable, if naïve, desire to fix history—but the status quo cannot be maintained indefinitely. Cracks in the reparations mindset are beginning to show themselves. Whites are noticing that black leaders still use historical grievances to justify special dispensations for blacks who were born decades after the end of Jim Crow—and many whites understandably resent this. Asian students are noticing that applying to elite colleges is an uphill battle for them, and are understandably fighting for basic fairness in admissions standards. The majority of blacks themselves are noticing that bias is not the main issue they face anymore, even as blacks who dare express this view are called race traitors.

As these cracks widen, the far-Left responds by doubling down on the radical strain of black identity politics that caused these problems to begin with, and the far-Right responds with its own toxic strain of white identity politics. Stale grievances are dredged up from history and used to justify double-standards that create fresh grievances in turn. And beneath all of this lies the tacit claim that blacks are uniquely constrained by history in a way that Jewish-Americans, East Asian-Americans, Indian-Americans, and countless other historically marginalized ethnic groups are not. In the midst of this breakdown in civil discourse, we must ask ourselves—academics, journalists, activists, politicians, and concerned citizens alike—if we are on a path towards a thriving multi-ethnic democracy or a balkanized hotbed of racial and political tribalism."

Thoughts? Are racial double standards ever ethically justifiable? If the goal is racial equality, are they beneficial in this regard?

(The thread title is pretty much clickbait, don't take it at face value)
 

Apologes

Active Member
Of course not.

All this sanctioning "white privilege" boils down to is trying to punish people for the "sins of their fathers". In a society which claims to see each person as an individual rather than just a link in a some racial chain with no identity of their own, the idea that I need to account for the difference in whatever aspect of life between me as a white male and a black person by giving up some of my rights because "the black people were late to the race" (as your typical politically correct racially fueled commentator like Dyson would put it) is absurd.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Pretty complicated question. If there's a bottom line to this, the US needs to solve the race issue for a number of reasons, justice being just one of them. Double standards, regardless of who they favor, are not generally in the best interests of any racial group, since they create resentment of the favored group.
 
The 'Race issue' will only be solved when it is no longer a topic of conversation. When a person's skin colour matters as much as their hair or eye colour.

In certain progressive circles, expressing such an attitude would be considered indicative of your white privilege and perhaps even an implicit white supremacism.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
In certain progressive circles, expressing such an attitude would be considered indicative of your white privilege and perhaps even an implicit white supremacism.
Why? Which progressive circles?
You do not know the colour of my skin.
 

Because they are terrible at communicating and wish to present their ideas in as counterproductive a manner as possible?

Why? Which progressive circles?

Pretty large progressive circles in America apparently. Have even seen it on a university list of 'microaggressions'.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/colorblind/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

You do not know the colour of my skin.

Who else could put on such an egregious display of white supremicism though? :D
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Regarding this title of this thread, I am an ethnic minority where I live.

Most people are black where I live and they can get away with all sorts of racial slurs, insults, and behavior that they would not get away with if they were white.

It's just how our culture is these days.

When I was in prison, calling a white person "cracker" was tolerated. If a white person insulted blacks or native American, knuckles would bleed.

Also, a black person in environments I've lived, can feel free to call anyone the N word. I hear it regularly. If a white person does the same thing, there is complete outrage and shock over it.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Because they are terrible at communicating and wish to present their ideas in as counterproductive a manner as possible?



Pretty large progressive circles in America apparently. Have even seen it on a university list of 'microaggressions'.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/colorblind/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism



Who else could put on such an egregious display of white supremicism though? :D
But that's ignoring an existing issue.
I'm not saying you do that, I'm saying that hopefully we progress sufficiently with acceptance of skin colour so that it isn't an issue and nobody is ignoring anything.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
The 'Race issue' will only be solved when it is no longer a topic of conversation. When a person's skin colour matters as much as their hair or eye colour.

Ironically and inexplicably, some even consider the notion of being "colorblind" toward skin color to be racist.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
It's a fairly stupid world we live in. You can't state facts or observations to most people without being called "racist".

For instance, a person is considered racist for simply stating a statistic like:
"According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

They make up roughly 13% of the population while making up nearly half the homicides.

I've been to predominantly white neighborhoods where there isn't trash or graffiti everywhere and the gas station employees didn't stand behind bullet proof glass or there were not bars on the doors and windows of stores to prevent people from breaking in.

I never had a single stranger in
a predominantly white neighborhood approach me to sell me drugs.

Every neighborhood that had a black majority that i have been to wasn't like that. There was always trash everywhere, people around you drunk or high regularly, violence, drama, more prostitution, gang-activity, high violence, high murder rate, and random strangers approach me to sell me drugs.

They were always areas of the city many people avoided for those reasons.

However, you don't dare state such an observation or you are racist.

Ethnicity or color of someone's skin does not bother me. My AA sponsor is my hero, a better person than myself and better person than the average white person imo. He's my favorite person I know in real life, and he is of African descent.

My psychotherapist is my second favorite person in real life, and he is a minority.

I have no issue with the color of anyone's skin or their ethnicity.

I do have a problem with criminal behavior and loud, obnoxious, abrasive, disrespectful people who harm , harass, steal from, and manipulate others. I see that far more in the predominately black neighborhoods ive lived in than predominantly white neighborhoods.

A wheel on my new locked-up bike was stolen recently. I never had something like that happen in a predominantly white neighborhood or city.

I've tried to buy something from black people and had my money taken, the door slammed in my face, and the car drove off

Never had white people do that.

These are not racist comments. It is an observation that is obvious, which is why so many people avoid those areas.
 
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dfnj

Well-Known Member
It's a fairly stupid world we live in. You can't state facts or observations to most people without being called "racist".

For instance, a person is considered racist for simply stating a statistic like:

The reason you are a racist is because these numbers have nothing to do with race but simply what happens when you have excessive poverty with no reasonably achievable opportunities. If you are going to look at the numbers doing honest work just doesn't pay. When crime pays better than honest work what is going to happen has nothing to do with race.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The reason you are a racist is because these numbers have nothing to do with race but simply what happens when you have excessive poverty with no reasonably achievable opportunities. If you are going to look at the numbers doing honest work just doesn't pay. When crime pays better than honest work what is going to happen has nothing to do with race.
There is nothing racist about stating a stastic or observation.

If you lived where i do, you also would learn not to buy anything from anyone or carry large amounts of money on you.

And you would take your bike indoors and leave nothing valuable in your car.

It is just something a person learns living in the ghetto.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
They make up roughly 13% of the population while making up nearly half the homicides.

You...Live...at...a..sober..living...complex yet you're talking about crime? What can possibly go wrong at a place where people are constantly battling addiction?

I'm so sick of some whites using the above highlighted? Whites in the history of this country and many other countries have created the most tragic and historic homicides we have known in human history but damn these facts! Whites in the history of this country, as well as others have created systems (not temporal laws) we are talking about systems that favor one ethnic group over another. Today we still feel the residual effects even in my era. But wait, blacks have privilege and although the OP said the title is clickbait but since someone managed to bring up statistics let's talk about this 13% committing half the crime:

"It’s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau. And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.
Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that the police are racist......


Some criminologists think we could be simply confusing race for poverty or inequality: black people tend to offend more because they tend to be more disadvantaged, living in poorer urban areas with less access to public services, and so on.

If you control for deprivation, people of different races ought to be similarly predisposed to commit crime
. Or that’s the theory, at least."

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime



 
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Mox

Dr Green Fingers
Whites in the history of this country and many other countries have created the most tragic and historic homicides we have known in human history but damn these facts! Whites in the history of this country, as well as others have created systems (not temporal laws) we are talking about systems that favor one ethnic group over another. Today we still feel the residual effects even in my era.

Yup. Guilty as charged.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
In light of this, do you think that promoting the kind of double standards outlined in the OP are beneficial when it comes to improving the state of race relations in America?

It points out the racial double standards indeed and beneficial because it brings to light......I mean we can always talk about why today whites are calling cops on blacks for the dumbest reasons.
 
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