Blasphemy

[RESOLUTION]

Yes, I think my free speech rights are pretty awesome. I'm responding to people who think those rights should be reduced when it comes to blasphemy. I think cries of "blasphemy" are nonsense.

IYPO but as you are not a believer it has nothing to do with you, does it?

 

[RESOLUTION]

and @Quintessence

As a card carrying anti-theist I'd say that I don't want to mess with people's spiritual lives. But the problem is that religion has tried to co-op spirituality, and for the most part religion has besmirched it. I would say that to the degree a person feels they are both spiritual AND religious, then have to jump thru hoops to force their religion to not conflict with their spirituality. In other words, a person tends to be spiritual IN SPITE OF their religion, not because of it.

Evidence and proof please you have my interest.

 

[RESOLUTION]

Well, you answered yourself why atheists have all interest to discuss about God existence, despite not believing in it.

Did I miss something in your post. You cannot assume this in any form from what I wrote. Stop playing games it just shows you as unable to make a good argument on your part as an atheist.

You said God ordained that marriage is only between a man and a woman. In other words, your belief, in what we consider an imaginary being, is affecting public policy. It is affecting the life of gay people, just to make an example, who might not give a rip of what God, the blue fairy or whomever, ordained.

The clue is in GOD ORDAINED.... the fact is we have marriage because God ordained it. Why else would people marry? Being obnoxious and trying to offend others does not work as an excuse
for not having an answer to these facts. My question would be that, " if people do not believe in God why want to be married? " Seems that though people do not believe in God they still want
to do what he has commanded for his people. What can marriage possibly mean to someone not religious? Are they saying marriage makes a difference and God is right?

So, for any atheist who is interested to remove things like discrimination of people based on sexual preferences, trying to knock down and ridicule religious beliefs, is not only allowed, but it becomes a social and civil duty.

Ciao

- viole

Your posts show that this has all been about an exercise in trying to make your personal views and motivations made known. You really have not thought through what marriage actually is or what it means for any couples regardless of their sex. The fact is we have already shown two different types of marriage. One spiritual for believers and God and the others for others legally in law for all whether they believe or not. What is you want to carry on making a rift between people accepting each other and their different beliefs and ways in life. I have shown what the difference is between the idea of marriage for believers and couples of the same sex. It is how it is. No right and wrong or prejudicial thinking against one or the other.

 

[RESOLUTION]

Which is why anti-vaxxers are famously quiet about their views on vaccines, and why we never see any vegans proclaim that meat is murder...

Would they be anti if their child dies of one of those diseases they could have vaccinated against. If the world only had meat to live on would vegans remain vegans and starve to death.
The fact is many children would die without vaccination. The truth is that many animals would die and cause more diseases amongst humans if we did not eat meat because farmers would not pay vets to keep them healthy during their life time. We may eat meat and we may not eat meat but without people doing so many animals would be left to die in very poor health and living conditions.There is always a downside and what if crops failed how do you survive then?

 

[viole]

Did I miss something in your post. You cannot assume this in any form from what I wrote. Stop playing games it just shows you as unable to make a good argument on your part as an atheist.


The clue is in GOD ORDAINED.... the fact is we have marriage because God ordained it. Why else would people marry? Being obnoxious and trying to offend others does not work as an excuse
for not having an answer to these facts. My question would be that, " if people do not believe in God why want to be married? " Seems that though people do not believe in God they still want
to do what he has commanded for his people. What can marriage possibly mean to someone not religious? Are they saying marriage makes a difference and God is right?



Your posts show that this has all been about an exercise in trying to make your personal views and motivations made known. You really have not thought through what marriage actually is or what it means for any couples regardless of their sex. The fact is we have already shown two different types of marriage. One spiritual for believers and God and the others for others legally in law for all whether they believe or not. What is you want to carry on making a rift between people accepting each other and their different beliefs and ways in life. I have shown what the difference is between the idea of marriage for believers and couples of the same sex. It is how it is. No right and wrong or prejudicial thinking against one or the other.

Before any of this can be accepted, you need to prove

1) God exists
2) God has ordained that only one man and one woman can marry

Good luck with that.

By the way, in Sweden, and I think in all of Scandinavia, the official Christian church (Lutheran) happily marry gays.

So, you have really nothing in your hands to convince anyone, not even your fellow believers in Europe.

Ciao

- viole

 

[JJ50]

Before any of this can be accepted, you need to prove

1) God exists
2) God has ordained that only one man and one woman can marry

Good luck with that.

By the way, in Sweden, and I think in all of Scandinavia, the official Christian church (Lutheran) happily marry gays.

So, you have really nothing in your hands to convince anyone, not even your fellow believers in Europe.

Ciao

- viole

Some churches here in the UK are happy to marry gays too, and so they should, there are many gay Christians.

 

[icehorse]

IYPO but as you are not a believer it has nothing to do with you, does it?

If it has to do with limiting my speech, it has EVERYTHING to do with me.

 

[RESOLUTION]

That is your opinion, to which you are entitled, but it is only an opinion, that is all.

But mine is based on the evidence you have set before us. And is verifiable in that you cannot prove god does not exist.

 

[RESOLUTION]

Before any of this can be accepted, you need to prove

1) God exists
2) God has ordained that only one man and one woman can marry

Good luck with that.

By the way, in Sweden, and I think in all of Scandinavia, the official Christian church (Lutheran) happily marry gays.

So, you have really nothing in your hands to convince anyone, not even your fellow believers in Europe.

Ciao

- viole

You are unable to comprehend the truth that Christianity is not about the Lutheran church or denomination it is only about Spirit and Truth and always has been.

King James Bible
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

You are WRONG on so many levels and again using evasive and unintelligible replies.

You show no evidence of ever having been a born again believer. You appear unable to take in what has been said by others or to defend your stance given the statements
you have made.. The religion does not make God who he is. Man has always had free will that is how Adam fell. You confuse mans ability to choose and his choices as being
pack and parcel of what is right in faith. God does not change and what he says is right. Satan and man learned the hard way. You are typical of a person who rebels against
anything that does not fit your ethos.

 

[RESOLUTION]

If it has to do with limiting my speech, it has EVERYTHING to do with me.

What limits your speech? You have nothing limiting your speech but you thinking is definitely impeded by your own bias and inability to accept that somethings are wrong regardless of whether
you choose them to be,

 

[JJ50]

What limits your speech? You have nothing limiting your speech but you thinking is definitely impeded by your own bias and inability to accept that somethings are wrong regardless of whether
you choose them to be,

IN YOUR OPINION!

 

[icehorse]

What limits your speech?

The introduction of blasphemy laws would limit my speech. It would limit criticisms I might like to make about religion, and it would limit my ability to hear other criticisms of religion.

You have nothing limiting your speech but you thinking is definitely impeded by your own bias and inability to accept that somethings are wrong regardless of whether
you choose them to be,

You don't have enough data to make that claim, and your conclusion about my stance is - not surprisingly - wrong.

 

[viole]

You are unable to comprehend the truth that Christianity is not about the Lutheran church or denomination it is only about Spirit and Truth and always has been.

King James Bible
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

You are WRONG on so many levels and again using evasive and unintelligible replies.

You show no evidence of ever having been a born again believer. You appear unable to take in what has been said by others or to defend your stance given the statements
you have made.. The religion does not make God who he is. Man has always had free will that is how Adam fell. You confuse mans ability to choose and his choices as being
pack and parcel of what is right in faith. God does not change and what he says is right. Satan and man learned the hard way. You are typical of a person who rebels against
anything that does not fit your ethos.

Are you using the Bible to make a point with an atheist? It is like quoting Pinocchio to convince me that some kids grow big noses when they lie.

So, again, the fact that marriage must be between a man and a woman because God said so, is subordinated to the existence of God. Not only that. It ia subordinated to the existence of a God who said that. For instance, proving the existence of Apollo, might not be sufficient.

So, apart from mentioning some ancient book that you, for some reason, believe it has been inspired by God, what do you have?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Tiberius]

Would they be anti if their child dies of one of those diseases they could have vaccinated against. If the world only had meat to live on would vegans remain vegans and starve to death.
The fact is many children would die without vaccination. The truth is that many animals would die and cause more diseases amongst humans if we did not eat meat because farmers would not pay vets to keep them healthy during their life time. We may eat meat and we may not eat meat but without people doing so many animals would be left to die in very poor health and living conditions.There is always a downside and what if crops failed how do you survive then?

I think many antivaxxers would remain antivax even if their children contracted a disease that could have been prevented with a vaccine.

In any case, my point was that it's perfectly reasonable for people to speak about things that they believe to be false.

 

[RESOLUTION]

IN YOUR OPINION!

Well, sometimes opinions are based on fact and truth as mine were.

 

[RESOLUTION]

The introduction of blasphemy laws would limit my speech. It would limit criticisms I might like to make about religion, and it would limit my ability to hear other criticisms of religion.

Common courtesy and decency should stop you speaking out to simply hurt another. The law on anything has never stopped people breaking them.

RESOLUTION said: ↑
You have nothing limiting your speech but you thinking is definitely impeded by your own bias and inability to accept that somethings are wrong regardless of whether
you choose them to be,

You don't have enough data to make that claim, and your conclusion about my stance is - not surprisingly - wrong.[/QUOTE]

Data or evidence? Your posts are evidence of your bias and the fact you argue about Blasphemy laws inhibiting your freedom of speech when simply saying you do not believe in God is an act
of Blasphemy shows you have no real argument or reason for saying it would impede your speech when you do it anyway.

 

[RESOLUTION]

Are you using the Bible to make a point with an atheist? It is like quoting Pinocchio to convince me that some kids grow big noses when they lie.

Are you saying that the bible and the story of Pinocchio are not both fiction to you?
For a start a child would know from the fact their nose does not grow when they tell a lie that quoting Pinocchio would be a pointless exercise.
Now let us see your proof that God does not exist and the bible is fiction.
Seems you need a better argument if you want to make examples up. Because that would hold as much weight as an argument; as a bucket with holes in being able to holding water.

So, again, the fact that marriage must be between a man and a woman because God said so, is subordinated to the existence of God. Not only that. It ia subordinated to the existence of a God who said that. For instance, proving the existence of Apollo, might not be sufficient.

Has Apollo other than space been anything but a name and a fable? The fact is marriage exists because God ordained it and even atheist get married. Seems you are not reasoning correctly/
Most of atheist arguments are so outdated they are embarrassing.

So, apart from mentioning some ancient book that you, for some reason, believe it has been inspired by God, what do you have?

Ciao

- viole

MARRIAGE

CIAO.

 

[RESOLUTION]

I think many antivaxxers would remain antivax even if their children contracted a disease that could have been prevented with a vaccine.

In any case, my point was that it's perfectly reasonable for people to speak about things that they believe to be false.

Not in the case of God, which in this case the thread and blasphemy is about.

 

[viole]

Are you saying that the bible and the story of Pinocchio are not both fiction to you?
For a start a child would know from the fact their nose does not grow when they tell a lie that quoting Pinocchio would be a pointless exercise.
Now let us see your proof that God does not exist and the bible is fiction.
Seems you need a better argument if you want to make examples up. Because that would hold as much weight as an argument; as a bucket with holes in being able to holding water.

Or a prophet can live three days in a fish, and serpents can talk, like donkeys Of course they are both works of fictions. That is pretty apparent.

Has Apollo other than space been anything but a name and a fable? The fact is marriage exists because God ordained it and even atheist get married. Seems you are not reasoning correctly/
Most of atheist arguments are so outdated they are embarrassing.

Apollo has the same evidence of your God. So, a bit of respect, there are some pagans here.

Evidence that you are failing to provide. Ergo, you are also failing to provide evidence that marriage can only be between one man and one woman.

You probably believe that because you seem to have a predisposition for taking works of fiction a bit too seriously. I mean, not even the Christians here believe what you claim, imagine the rest.

MARRIAGE

A human construct. Probably evolved from a biological imperative, like love, that favors long lasting relationships, on account of our babies to require much more time than the kids of the other animals to become independent.

So, since it is a human construct that existed basically everywhere, even in places where people believed only in Apollo, we can amend it. As we do, independently from you liking or not.

Cao

- viole

 

[RESOLUTION]

Or a prophet can live three days in a fish, and serpents can talk, like donkeys Of course they are both works of fictions. That is pretty apparent.

EVASION not a pretty sight when you simply have no argument to present.

Apollo has the same evidence of your God. So, a bit of respect, there are some pagans here.

I believe Christianity being the largest faith in the world shows they do not have the same evidence for belief.

Evidence that you are failing to provide. Ergo, you are also failing to provide evidence that marriage can only be between one man and one woman.

Do you ever listen or just keep on reeling out your own beliefs regardless of the fact they are being proved nonsense? You see the fact marriage has since time and memorial
been between a man and a woman and the rest only been added lately shows that the bible and mankind only had marriage for a man and a woman.
The bible is the evidence that God ordained it for a man and woman. The biblical sense of marriage where the man and woman become one flesh is ONLY in the bible
and can only apply to a man and woman.

A human construct. Probably evolved from a biological imperative, like love, that favors long lasting relationships, on account of our babies to require much more time than the kids of the other animals to become independent.

So, since it is a human construct that existed basically everywhere, even in places where people believed only in Apollo, we can amend it. As we do, independently from you liking or not.

Cao

- viole

You keep making yourself look more and more silly with these answers. You see the tower of Babel where Gods people spread all over the world. The fact Jews and Christians all over the world. Do you ever stop and actually look at history or the faith in the bible.