rosends
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Actually, the text we use is "...who has made me according to his will".
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Blessing that I'm not a women
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Tomorrows_Child
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So basically "thanks for making me the way I am"? Would that be accurate?
rosends
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I guess so.
dantech
Well-Known Member
If you follow what Rosends said, you see that "not making me a woman" actually means "giving me more commandments to follow"
A woman saying "thanks for not making me man" would be saying "Thanks for not giving me a bunch of rules to follow". But in Judaism, we accepted the laws with love and honor, and following as many of these laws as possible is (or should be) seen as an honor.
Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
That's a bit weird. You have just stated that "following as many of these laws as possible is (or should be) seen as an honor", so why are women not allowed this honour? Surely they should be given equal opportunity to receive the same honour as the men?
dantech
Well-Known Member
While it is an honor to follow as many laws as possible, these laws remain as obligations. Women have been exempted from the laws that are time dependant because their role, as defined by (Orthodox?) Judaism, is to maintain a home (and everything that goes with it). In order to do so properly, a woman will no longer be able to abide to all the laws that depend on time. While these laws are obligations to us men, they are optional for women, and they are welcome to practice as many as they wish, if they just so happen to have the time. They are given this opportunity, but are also exempted from its obligations.
Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
I understand but that still means man can gain greater reward than woman with all these obligations they must carry out. Is there an alternative for women?
rosends
Well-Known Member
That doesn't follow. The man receives reward for doing what he is obligated to and the woman receives reward for doing what is obligated to. If each does 100% of what is required, each gets 100% of the "reward". Imputing the notion of "more" or "less" would then mean that one would look at levites who have levitical requirements and saying that have more reward than a non-levite who doesn't have those obligations, or a farmer, who is bound to agricultural rules has more than a teacher who doesn't.
dantech
Well-Known Member
And also, to add to what Rosends said...
Other than (I think) 3 commandments, we don't know the rewards for our actions.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
The average women is viewed as being more holy than the average man. We have to do all the extra obligations just to try to equal the holiness of the average woman.
Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
Oh wow, I had no idea.
This has been an informative discussion. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to but I want to ask another question. Basically, why is a woman considered more holyd and in what way?
I realise this is the Jewish DIR and I have asked a lot of questions so if this is too many, maybe I can message you or you could message me?
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
That doesn't quite sit well with me. Why should either of the sexes be inferior to the other in regards to spirituality?
But thank you for answering the question anyway.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I have to agree with you here because just the concept of different roles simply cannot explain other restrictions that are put on women in these regards. We know that the Judaism of the day was quite paternalistic, and that's of no great mystery since that was commonplace worldwide and typically was to be found in pretty much all religions.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
IMO, your error is by believing that differences is the same as inferior/superior. That man and woman are different does not mean that either is superior to the other. As Rosends said in post#48 above
dantech
Well-Known Member
Different Jews have different roles, according to Judaism. No one is better than the other because of the body/family they were born in.
For example, who we consider the greatest "Jew" ever is Moses. Moses was not the High Priest though and therefore was exempt of commandments that were given to the high Priest.
Serving G-d through these commandments is an honor, but it isn't a dishonor if these commandments simply aren't applicable to us.
A woman isn't "losing out" on the fact that she can't have her penis circumcised. A non-Priest is not losing out on the fact that he can't do the priest's tasks, etc...
For example, who we consider the greatest "Jew" ever is Moses. Moses was not the High Priest though and therefore was exempt of commandments that were given to the high Priest.
Serving G-d through these commandments is an honor, but it isn't a dishonor if these commandments simply aren't applicable to us.
A woman isn't "losing out" on the fact that she can't have her penis circumcised. A non-Priest is not losing out on the fact that he can't do the priest's tasks, etc...