BLM Risks Wrecking Its Goals

[Revoltingest]

Problems I see.....
- Concern for blacks only, eg, the slogan "No lives matter until black lives matter".
- Rioting, arson, looting, assault at protests
- Hostility towards all police
- Blaming whites as racist, while ignoring their own racism
- Threatening white officials

Is support slipping?
Just a couple months ago, articles show it was strong.
But now....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/29/slip-support-black-lives-matter/

In the news.....
2 LA County deputies 'fighting for their lives' after ambush shooting; Search for suspect underway
Protesting hospitalization of ambushed cops, & hoping they'll die?

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...-at-bob-krolls-home-demanding-his-resignation
Watch the video (some profanity).
Look at the symbolism of the pinata of Kroll.

They're losing sympathy.
I can only hope that criminal justice & policing reform happen in spite of BLM.

 

[PureX]

Every movement risks "wrecking it's goals". Change is difficult, and messy, and people have all kinds of different methods and agendas in achieving it.

 

[exchemist]

Problems I see.....
- Concern for blacks only, eg, the slogan "No lives matter until black lives matter".
- Rioting, arson, looting, assault at protests
- Hostility towards all police
- Blaming whites as racist, while ignoring their own racism
- Threatening white officials

Is support slipping?
Just a couple months ago, articles show it was strong.
But now....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/29/slip-support-black-lives-matter/

In the news.....
2 LA County deputies 'fighting for their lives' after ambush shooting; Search for suspect underway
Protesting hospitalization of ambushed cops, & hoping they'll die?

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...-at-bob-krolls-home-demanding-his-resignation
Watch the video (some profanity).
Look at the symbolism of the pinata of Kroll.

They're losing sympathy.
I can only hope that criminal justice & policing reform happen in spite of BLM.

I agree. The trouble with any protest movement is that if it goes on too long it tends to get more extreme and loses its public support. We have the same thing over here with "Extinction Rebellion".

These people will end up playing into Trump's hands if they are not careful.

 

[Tambourine]

Every movement risks "wrecking it's goals". Change is difficult, and messy, and people have all kinds of different methods and agendas in achieving it.

In fact, protest movements have never been popular with the general public.

People forget that the leaders of the Civil Rights movement were murdered, and that certainly didn't come about because everyone was so glad they came along and showed the Whites the error of their ways.

 

[Father Heathen]

Can't fight racism with racism, nor injustice with injustice, because then you become the very thing you hate. Be better. Be an example of what you want to see.

 

[bobhikes]

Problems I see.....
- Concern for blacks only, eg, the slogan "No lives matter until black lives matter".
- Rioting, arson, looting, assault at protests
- Hostility towards all police
- Blaming whites as racist, while ignoring their own racism
- Threatening white officials

.

Disagree,

Problem's I see

People misunderstanding the slogan which means Black lives matter like all other lives and should not be ignored. Blue Lives matter what a joke, how many times have people put up blue lives as hero's, how many times have people given to police charities after church it the next biggest charity I am accosted by and I give to every year. Any one who say's All lives matter is a liar, if they support abortion or are against abortion when the mother will die, if they support wars, if they are bigoted against any group for any reason.

Rioting, arson, looting and assault's at protests have been done by bad people on all sides of the spectrum.

Hostility towards police please I have friends that are nightmares to cops when they stop them for speeding. With police it goes both ways they are in a hostile environment everyday but its the job they selected and are paid to do. I feel worse when a customer slaps the grocery store clerk because the coupon didn't work.

Blaming whites as racist, as a white who associates with other white I can attest I have never met a white that was not racist. As a white with friends that are black I can attest that blacks are also racist however in general do not act on it with the white population for fear of retaliation or the ability to achieve success by not acting on it. When they really get mad you should watch out though.

Threating white officials, why is the term white there is it OK to threaten Black officials, Hispanic officials, Asian officials. Trump threatens officials everyday. If you put yourself in the public light you should expect some threats. Now acting on those threats physically is wrong but feel free to complain on the news, on-line, vote against....

 

[Stevicus]

Problems I see.....
- Concern for blacks only, eg, the slogan "No lives matter until black lives matter".
- Rioting, arson, looting, assault at protests
- Hostility towards all police
- Blaming whites as racist, while ignoring their own racism
- Threatening white officials

Is support slipping?
Just a couple months ago, articles show it was strong.
But now....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/29/slip-support-black-lives-matter/

In the news.....
2 LA County deputies 'fighting for their lives' after ambush shooting; Search for suspect underway
Protesting hospitalization of ambushed cops, & hoping they'll die?

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...-at-bob-krolls-home-demanding-his-resignation
Watch the video (some profanity).
Look at the symbolism of the pinata of Kroll.

They're losing sympathy.
I can only hope that criminal justice & policing reform happen in spite of BLM.

Sounds like there could be some false flags and agents provocateur at work. It's an old tactic but it seems to work.

Other than that, I'm not sure exactly where all this is headed. There may very well be reforms in the areas of criminal justice and policing, but whether it will have any lasting effect remains to be seen.

It's hard to say how this will pan out in terms of the election. Overall, Americans tend to favor law and order over chaos and anarchy, so there will always be police departments in one form or another. How far they go depends on how fearful the public is.

 

[PureX]

In fact, protest movements have never been popular with the general public.

Of course not. If there were, they wouldn't have been needed in the first place.

People forget that the leaders of the Civil Rights movement were murdered, and that certainly didn't come about because everyone was so glad they came along and showed the Whites the error of their ways.

Upsetting the systems of social control is difficult and dangerous. Unfortunately it has to be done, regularly, or the abuse of them just continues to increase.

 

[Mindmaster]

Problems I see.....
- Concern for blacks only, eg, the slogan "No lives matter until black lives matter".
- Rioting, arson, looting, assault at protests
- Hostility towards all police
- Blaming whites as racist, while ignoring their own racism
- Threatening white officials

They have goals? News, to me.

Anyway, in disposition I see nothing different from them than any other extremist zealot-ized by social media rabbit holes. They are crazy, just as crazy as the white power freaks and the fundamentalist Christians. We should do none of what they want for the same reason.

 

[Revoltingest]

Disagree,

Problem's I see

People misunderstanding the slogan which means Black lives matter like all other lives and should not be ignored. Blue Lives matter what a joke, how many times have people put up blue lives as hero's, how many times have people given to police charities after church it the next biggest charity I am accosted by and I give to every year. Any one who say's All lives matter is a liar, if they support abortion or are against abortion when the mother will die, if they support wars, if they are bigoted against any group for any reason.

Rioting, arson, looting and assault's at protests have been done by bad people on all sides of the spectrum.

Hostility towards police please I have friends that are nightmares to cops when they stop them for speeding. With police it goes both ways they are in a hostile environment everyday but its the job they selected and are paid to do. I feel worse when a customer slaps the grocery store clerk because the coupon didn't work.

Blaming whites as racist, as a white who associates with other white I can attest I have never met a white that was not racist. As a white with friends that are black I can attest that blacks are also racist however in general do not act on it with the white population for fear of retaliation or the ability to achieve success by not acting on it. When they really get mad you should watch out though.

Threating white officials, why is the term white there is it OK to threaten Black officials, Hispanic officials, Asian officials. Trump threatens officials everyday. If you put yourself in the public light you should expect some threats. Now acting on those threats physically is wrong but feel free to complain on the news, on-line, vote against....

If people misunderstand BLM's message, thereby weakening
the goals then they should consider changing the message.
This problem cannot be dismissed with "But Trump!" or "But abortion!".

 

[Revoltingest]

Sounds like there could be some false flags and agents provocateur at work. It's an old tactic but it seems to work.

I see BLM fans continually blaming right wing secret agents
for the carnage. I don't buy it when it's so widespread, ie,
more than just a few incidents with few people.
Further discrediting of this excuse is that they never apply it
when someone at a Trump rally does wrong.

 

[Tambourine]

They have goals? News, to me.

Anyway, in disposition I see nothing different from them than any other extremist zealot-ized by social media rabbit holes. They are crazy, just as crazy as the white power freaks and the fundamentalist Christians. We should do none of what they want for the same reason.

One would think "we should make it much harder for police to just shoot people for no good reason, improve their transparency and accountability, and stop making every issue a security problem" would be a no brainer for most reasonable folks, but apparently not.

 

[Stevicus]

I see BLM fans continually blaming right wing secret agents
for the carnage. I don't buy it when it's so widespread, ie,
more than just a few incidents with few people.
Further discrediting of this excuse is that they never apply it
when someone at a Trump rally does wrong.

I could see where a few well-placed agitators and instigators could rile up a crowd and persuade them to do violence. I'm not claiming that's actually happening, but it's possible. As you say, it brings discredit to the BLM movement and causes them to lose support, which is what the right wing would want.

I'm not really sure what's going on in other cities, but with some of the reports, it sounds like some kind of chaotic, undisciplined, unorganized free-for-all. It's hard to say what actually passes for "leadership" in this kind of situation, what with Captain Peachfuzz at the helm and both parties locked in mortal struggle.

 

[Revoltingest]

They have goals? News, to me.

I've heard some good ones....
- Better treatment by cops
- Eliminating racism.
And some bad ones....
- Reparations (blacks only, no other races)
- More violence

Anyway, in disposition I see nothing different from them than any other extremist zealot-ized by social media rabbit holes. They are crazy, just as crazy as the white power freaks and the fundamentalist Christians. We should do none of what they want for the same reason.

A problem is that there is no single "they", but rather several.
And the violent "theys" are affecting the image of all of the "thems".

Awkward phrasing, eh?

 

[Revoltingest]

I could see where a few well-placed agitators and instigators could rile up a crowd and persuade them to do violence. I'm not claiming that's actually happening, but it's possible. As you say, it brings discredit to the BLM movement and causes them to lose support, which is what the right wing would want.

I'm not really sure what's going on in other cities, but with some of the reports, it sounds like some kind of chaotic, undisciplined, unorganized free-for-all. It's hard to say what actually passes for "leadership" in this kind of situation, what with Captain Peachfuzz at the helm and both parties locked in mortal struggle.

So BLM violence is a right wing conspiracy?

 

[bobhikes]

If people misunderstand BLM's message, thereby weakening
the goals then they should consider changing the message.
This problem cannot be dismissed with "But Trump!" or "But abortion!".

People that misunderstand the message don't want to support the cause anyway. They can't be bothered to spend anytime understanding anything that affects there sensibilities. Who would think Black Lives Matter means only Black lives Matter? What type of person would read it that way?

I'm not using but Trump, but abortion, I gave both explanation and multiple examples, why are you limiting them.

 

[Revoltingest]

People that misunderstand the message don't want to support the cause anyway.

Never dismiss those who might be on the fence.
Political battles are won by fighting over the
percentage points who could go either way.

I'm not using but Trump, but abortion, I gave both explanation and multiple examples, why are you limiting them.

I picked 2 examples of non-germane issues.

 

[Fool]

I've heard some good ones....
- Better treatment by cops
- Eliminating racism.
And some bad ones....
- Reparations (blacks only, no other races)
- More violence

A problem is that there is no single "they", but rather several.
And the violent "theys" are affecting the image of all of the "thems".

Awkward phrasing, eh?

defunding some of the police resources and funding more social programs would be better; especially counseling.

 

[PureX]

I see BLM fans continually blaming right wing secret agents
for the carnage. I don't buy it when it's so widespread, ie,
more than just a few incidents with few people.
Further discrediting of this excuse is that they never apply it
when someone at a Trump rally does wrong.

What's sad is that you think who's to blame for the messyness of social change has anything to do with the demand and the necessity for social change, itself. Any attempts to change social control is bound to be messy, and violent, and costly (especially to those currently in control). Because the people in control don't want to give any up, even though they are abusing it. While the people being abused rarely have any recourse but to do whatever they have to, to get the changes they need, to end the abuse.

You're a social, economic, and political (philosophical) 'Darwinist', you should understand this perfectly well, and even applaud it.

 

[sun rise]

Every movement risks "wrecking it's goals". Change is difficult, and messy, and people have all kinds of different methods and agendas in achieving it.

And there are those trying to provoke violence like the right wing group that piled up bricks in the hopes that people would toss them.

And there are anarchists and criminals who use protests as an excuse.

As far as

Problems I see.....
- Concern for blacks only, eg, the slogan "No lives matter until black lives matter".

That's the entire point of BLM - that Black lives have not mattered when it comes to racism, police violence, barriers and the like. To say to drop that is to say disbland BLM.

On this point I agree 100% with that slogan. When Black lives matter as much as White lives have mattered, the goal will have been reached.