BLM Risks Wrecking Its Goals

[Revoltingest]

defunding some of the police resources and funding more social programs would be better; especially counseling.

I actually oppose defunding, but would re-allocate the funds
to have fewer better trained & qualified cops. Then increase
funding for the complementary social programs.

I know, I know....it would increase taxes. But it would also be
a big increase in quality of service, & there'd be savings in
less money paid out for lawsuits & prisons.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Problems I see.....
- Concern for blacks only, eg, the slogan "No lives matter until black lives matter".
- Rioting, arson, looting, assault at protests
- Hostility towards all police
- Blaming whites as racist, while ignoring their own racism
- Threatening white officials

Is support slipping?
Just a couple months ago, articles show it was strong.
But now....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/08/29/slip-support-black-lives-matter/

In the news.....
2 LA County deputies 'fighting for their lives' after ambush shooting; Search for suspect underway
Protesting hospitalization of ambushed cops, & hoping they'll die?

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...-at-bob-krolls-home-demanding-his-resignation
Watch the video (some profanity).
Look at the symbolism of the pinata of Kroll.

They're losing sympathy.
I can only hope that criminal justice & policing reform happen in spite of BLM.

The Marxist leadership doesn't help either.

 

[Revoltingest]

What's sad is that you think who's to blame for the.....

Stopping you right there, this thread isn't about blame.
There's plenty to go around though....bad public policy,
poor police training, violent protesters, violent populace,
ineffective politicians, etc.
I'm looking at the counter-productive message inferred
from the protests.

.....You're a social, economic, and political (philosophical) 'Darwinist', you should understand this perfectly well, and even applaud it.

The thread isn't about your perception of me.

 

[Stevicus]

So BLM violence is a right wing conspiracy?

I don't know. Could be.

 

[Revoltingest]

On this point I agree 100% with that slogan. When Black lives matter as much as White lives have mattered, the goal will have been reached.

You'd call their wrongful deaths at the hands (& knees
& guns) of cops being the same as whites success?
If black lives mattered only as much as white ones,
that would be a huge failure.

And what about the point of the thread? If they send
a message that loses them support, blind defense of
the message will serve no one...except Trump.
Are you a Trump supporter now?

 

[Revoltingest]

The Marxist leadership doesn't help either.

That is a problem. Even if only few are actually marxists,
the public pronouncement that they are is a big problem
for people that BLM would want on board.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know. Could be.

Are black politicians like John Johnson
part of the right wing conspiracy?
Are the misbehaving Trump supporters at
his rallies part of a left wing conspiracy?

 

[Fool]

I actually oppose defunding, but would re-allocate the funds
to have fewer better trained & qualified cops. Then increase
funding for the complementary social programs.

I know, I know....it would increase taxes. But it would also be
a big increase in quality of service, & there'd be savings in
less money paid out for lawsuits & prisons.

so you want better social programs for cops to increase and then help those that are already at risk later?


WOW, just WOW.

 

[Stevicus]

Are black politicians like John Johnson
part of the right wing conspiracy?

Who?

Are the misbehaving Trump supporters at
his rallies part of a left wing conspiracy?

I can't say, but I suppose anything is possible. We're living in weird times.

 

[Revoltingest]

so you want better social programs for cops to increase and then help those that are already at risk?


WOW, just WOW

I'd disagree, but I can't even discern what
your mis-inference of my post is about.

 

[bobhikes]

Never dismiss those who might be on the fence.
Political battles are won by fighting over the
percentage points who could go either way.

I picked 2 examples of non-germane issues.

The battle is already lost and there is no vote.

 

[Revoltingest]

Who?

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...-at-bob-krolls-home-demanding-his-resignation

I can't say, but I suppose anything is possible. We're living in weird times.

I'll go with what's probable, rather than what's remotely possible.

 

[Revoltingest]

The battle is already lost and there is no vote.

You see a battle that's over.
I see long simmering war that will last far longer than you or I will.

 

[Fool]

I'd disagree, but I can't even discern what
your mis-inference of my post is about.

you're wanting more resources for an institution that is already massively funded but you're still willing to skimp on resources for the mostily impoverished.

WOW, just WOW.

 

[Revoltingest]

you're wanting more resources for an institution that is already massively funded but you're still willing to skimp on resources for the mostily impoverished.

WOW, just WOW.

The issue isn't how much money we spend on policing.
It's what the money is spent on.
Cops should meet high qualification requirements,
receive far better training, exhibit universal professionalism,
& be held accountable for every failing. This requires money
to finance this change.
And you must've missed the part where I said complementary
social spending (to augment cops) should also be enhanced.
This would allow resolving more conflicts peacefully.

Do you disagree about this being worth doing?

 

[Fool]

The issue isn't how much money we spend on policing.
It's what the money is spent on.
Cops should meet high qualification requirements,
receive far better training, exhibit universal professionalism,
& be held accountable for every failing. This requires money
to finance this change.
And you must've missed the part where I said complementary
social spending (to augment cops) should also be enhanced.

I hope that you're not just straw manning & ignoring parts of
my posts for the sake of arguing & posting "Wow, just Wow"
repeatedly.

no i didn't miss it.

you're wanting to fund a program that should already be in alignment; especially since they get to keep assets from criminal activity, but you want to wait on those at risk to increase their meager resources.


you're clueless is why the WOW.


we want to decrease criminal behavior by giving people the physical and psychological resources to succeed. Not continue to promote the idea that more laws and a better police force is going to reduce criminal activity. anti-social behavior starts in childhood and blossoms in adulthood


when criminal activity decreases; so should the need for incarceration and/or police force.

start at the root of the problem, not at the bloom of it

 

[Stevicus]

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesot...-at-bob-krolls-home-demanding-his-resignation

I saw part of the video from the link. He does seem like a bit of an agitator, but if he's secretly working for the right-wing - and manages to get elected to the legislature, it would be diabolical. Worthy of J. Edgar Hoover himself.

I'll go with what's probable, rather than what's remotely possible.

What's probable is that people are getting riled up to do violence. Whether they're being directed or agitated somehow, or if they're just doing it of their own accord, that's the question.

 

[bobhikes]

You see a battle that's over.
I see long simmering war that will last far longer than you or I will.

Not so much, major players have already changed

Major corporations have already gone against the status quo.
Major Sports have now gone against the status quo.
States are already enacting new policies to try and help.

Federal policies will follow the money but will lag behind. As long as the money changes its view the Federal government will as well. Lets face it Money growth is far greater with the minority groups. Companies see this and see they are more loyal to companies supporting minority causes. Also the minority community is not really a minority anymore and the White population is expected to be smaller than the Spanish population in a decade.

In Summary the white population is losing its status in both population and monetary growth while the minority groups are growing faster both in population and money. To increase profits and survive both the Corporate world and Political world have to reach out to the minority groups.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not so much, major players have already changed

Major corporations have already gone against the status quo.
Major Sports have now gone against the status quo.
States are already enacting new policies to try and help.

Federal policies will follow the money but will lag behind. As long as the money changes its view the Federal government will as well. Lets face it Money growth is far greater with the minority groups. Companies see this and see they are more loyal to companies supporting minority causes. Also the minority community is not really a minority anymore and the White population is expected to be smaller than the Spanish population in a decade.

In Summary the white population is losing its status in both population and monetary growth while the minority groups are growing faster both in population and money. To increase profits and survive both the Corporate world and Political world have to reach out to the minority groups.

You give up too easily.
Or lose hope.
One or the other.

 

[PureX]

I'm looking at the counter-productive message inferred
from the protests.

Why?