Shad
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Demographic? No. First Nations people have far more issues than Blacks have ever had up in Canada. The inner cities in Canada are not the inner cities of America.
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BLM, Toronto Pride and the police
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Demographic? No. First Nations people have far more issues than Blacks have ever had up in Canada. The inner cities in Canada are not the inner cities of America.
Going by BLM's list of demands, it seems to me that their issues with the police stem from specific police shootings (which they describe as murder), carding, police treatment of BLM protestors, and other issues:
Demands – BLM – TO
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The Pride Toronto board of directors put out a statement before their AGM that touched on this issue and others, and expressed sympathy for both BLM members and law enforcement:
Update: Statement from Pride Toronto - Pride Toronto
At Pride Toronto's AGM, the issue wasn't originally on the agenda, but got added at the meeting. Apparently, a motion passed to "support" BLM's demands, but it isn't clear whether this actually means banning police floats:
Vote held at Pride Toronto AGM to ban police floats from future parades
The police don't have that power.
The police are a voice at the table for event planning, but ultimately, the decision about whether Pride can use City of Toronto roads is up to the City, not the police. Even if the cops did decide not to do their job, the parade would still have every right to be there.
BLM is in Canada too? It sounds like one SJW group (LGBT) caves to another SJW group (BLM) as they do not have the backbone to ever say another such group is going to far as they want to see all these SJW groups as brothers against some evil establishment.
They are starting on a police force that doesn't mistreat anyone. Their police force treat violators with respect. If you are walking drunk in public, they will give that person a lift home. They has a correctional facility for the natives to practice their rituals and whatever. And it is a nice clean facility. But the people does treat the Natives and the people of India as low class citizens. But the Blacks and the Japanese are considered as the midlle and upper class over there.
This movie reminds me how it is truly like over there in Canada.
Personally, I am incensed by this! I am a Torontonian, who participated in the very first Pride Parade in this city (it was teeny-weeny, trust me). I grew up in a time when hating gay people (or black people, or anybody else not quite like "us") was just sort of the norm. Somebody could like you, but if they found out you were gay, they may never speak to you again (happened to me). That's what we fought against.
Pride has grown to include the idea of being receptive and loving of all sorts of difference over the years. And that's a damned fine thing.
But BLM has a deep hatred of police (back in the 60's, we did too, because they could beat you up and get away with it...but that's history, and if we can't get over history, then we are truly trapped). And BLM is helping others now to learn to hate police. Hate -- there you go. If this is where we find ourselves, after decades of trying to get people to stop hating, then we have lost our way.
I won't be attending any Pride events in Toronto in future.
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No, we do not! We have, for many years, had a fantastically supportive police force. Sure, I can find the odd outlier, the rogue cop, but they are extremely few and far between.
The Toronto PD has many gay and lesbian officers -- and celebrates them. The organization offered same-sex benefits to gay couples before gay marriage became the law in Canada.
I am a gay man. I have had bad encounters with police in the distant past. But I understand the difference between past and present. And I am a big supporter of Toronto's police force.
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Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Fine, give them 1 block for their parade. They can drive around in circles. I doubt there is any law or city ordinance that defines HOW MUCH of a route they have to accommodate them with.
You're comparing hoods with severe urban blight. That's not the same thing.
I have a lot of family members that lives all over in Canada. Even in Halifax Nova Scotia. I visit a lot over there. I told my cousin to take me to their ghettos. We were driving for a while. I told him when are we going to get there? He said that we are in it now. Their ghettos looks like our middle class neighbor hoods. I remember a movie about John Candy hated Canada because of it being so clean, that he went out and empty a trash can on the ground to dirty it up. And it is true, that it is so clean up there. I was going to move up there at one time. Until the winter had came. But I did not because of the cold weather. All of the Canadians were wondering why I wanted to move up there rather than staying in a warm place in the States. Some Canadians had thought that Palm trees were fictional trees, that did not existed. But everyone that I had encountered wanted to move away from the cold.
But you will not want to go into our ghettos. You will be putting a gun upside the cab driver's head demanding that he hurry up and get you out of the ghetto.
Cops down here are very terrified of going into these ghettos because there is a chance that might get attack or shot by a so called stray bullet. That is why they are very conscious. For us, it is like going into a prison with all of the inmates unchained and walking around freely..
And you have to watch out for those pimps in the ghettos down here. They will follow you until they get you.
Carding is certainly an issue -- a bit of a hot political potato, actually. More on that in a second...
Police shootings, on the other hand, strikes me as a false premise. The vast majority of black persons killed by gunshot in Toronto have been shot, not by police, but by other black people. Yes, Sammy Yatim was shot, but he wasn't black, and the office who shot him was tried and convicted. Isn't that how it's supposed to work?
It is a fact that carding is more often something that happens to blacks on Toronto's downtown streets. But what might be the reasons for that? Are blacks more heavily represented by poverty, fatherless homes, hanging around on the streets? Okay, they'll get carded more often (proportionate to their overall numbers in society), than whites. But are these police problems, or social problems? Obviously the latter -- the police can't fix that stuff!
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Their just full of hate and prejudice.