Thief
Rogue Theologian
I lean to cause and effect to sort that perspective
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Bob the atheist?
- Thread starter Satans_Serrated_Edge
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Like Bob the builder I am now rather confused. 
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
Like Bob the builder I am now rather confused.
Cause and effect, Rick... Bob can't build a house without bricks. The bricks must have come first.
We believe in propositions, which are proposed (potential) information. What we will invest belief in must actually have that potential of informing us. It nets that, in part, from our biases, but also from the capacity for truth value that something (potential information) residing in our immediate sphere of awareness holds. Those are the things with the capacity to be assigned a truth value. Things unknown have no potential to inform unless they enter that sphere.
But those aren't what the person believes in. The person belives in their own immediately constructed world, not reconstructions of others' ideas.
Just acknowledging 'category' does that. Whether or not there are unknown samples, belief will stem only from what is immediate. Those are what have the potential to inform.
So you think that someone who says "I don't believe in any gods" means "I don't believe in any of the gods I'm aware of" and not "I don't believe in any gods, whether I'm aware of them or not?"
I hope you understand why I consider your position utter nonsense.
No, that's just implied.
That's usually what they mean.
No, I don't. It's common sense that when they say, "I don't believe in any gods, whether I'm aware of them or not," they include only actuals and not imagined god images.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
no...no...no....
the brick came much later....
Bob came first.....(on this occasion, I'm giving God the name.....Bob)
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I mean Bob doesn't know whether he's an atheist, it must be terribly confusing for the poor chap.
As long as Bob has the potential to be neither theist nor atheist, I applaude his worldview.I mean Bob doesn't know whether he's an atheist, it must be terribly confusing for the poor chap.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
What is an immediately constructed world if not something imparted upon us by others?
Is there any concept in your mind that wasn't somehow influenced or taught to you by external sources?
What was your level of knowledge in Algebra when you were in Kindergarten?
Algebraic concepts existed well before you became aware of them, right? You know this now, but you did not know it when you were 5.
So, what did you know about Algebra, a Math that factually existed even in your ignorance, before you were made aware of it?
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Geometry?
Calculus?
Topography?
Number Theory?
Mathematical Physics?
The same is true of gods and any other concept or variable that you care to consider.
Bob goes through phases and is not one thing or another. He has moments where he is one way and then another. There is no continuum for Bob.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
If Bob thinks, therefore he is... But Bob might possibly be an atheist... does Bob cease to exist, since Bob is God?I mean Bob doesn't know whether he's an atheist, it must be terribly confusing for the poor chap.
Bob's disbelief in Bob has rendered all atheistic arguments 100% valid.
Checkmate, Thief.
If "others" includes everything in the world, then no there isn't, because those others inherently taught me "external".
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Bob for president!