maro said:
hey brother , give the man a break
No my sister, all the famous scholars warned us from those who call themselves salafis or wahabis and we have to deffernitate between the famous and well respected scholars in Saudi Arabia and some small groups who use violence which Saudi Arabia is fighting everyday in her streets.
Read with me what this scholar from Saudi Arabia did say:
Ibn 'Uthaymeen warns the Muslims from the Salafi Group
By Sheikh Ibn al-'Uthaymeen
From his [the Prophet](SAW) statement,
"Whoever lives amongst you will see much differing, so adhere to my Sunnah",
It can be learnt that if parties (ahzaab) within the ummah emerge in increasing numbers then one should not affiliate himself to a party (hizb). In the past, many groups have appeared; Khawaarij, Mu'tazilah, Jahmiyyah, Shee'ah, even Raafidah.
Then there appeared, later on Ikhwanis, Salafis, Tablighis, and all those like them. Put all of them to one side and take [the path] ahead. Which is what the Prophet SAW guided to. "Adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs." No doubt, it is obligatory for all Muslims to adopt the way of the salaf as their madhhab, not affiliation to a specific party (hizb) named, "The Salafis". It is obligatory for the Islamic Ummah to adopt the way of the salaf as-salih as their madhhab, not bigotry to those called "the salafis". Pay attention to the difference: There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called "the salafis".
What is the objective? Following the Salaf. Why? The salafi brothers are the closest sect to that which is right, no doubt, but their problem is the same as others, that some of these sects declare others as being misguided, they declare them to be innovators and as being sinners. We don't censure this, if they deserve it, but we censure handling this bid'ah in this way. It is obligatory for the leaders of these sects to get together and say, Between us is the book of Allah, and the Sunnah of His messenger, so lets us judge by them and not according to desires, opinions and not according to personalities. Everyone makes mistakes and achieves correctness no matter what he has reached with regards to knowledge and worship. Infallibility is [only] in the religion of Islam."
In this hadeeth the Prophet SAW guided to the way in which a person secures himself. He doesn't affiliate him to any sect, only the way of the salaf as-salih, to the Sunnah of our Prophet SAW and the rightly guided caliphs.
Source:
http://muttaqun.com/salafiyyah.html
Therefore, i was harsh with him because he was trying to judge others and accuse them of being misguided and away from Islam, and this is what Prophet Mohammed warned us from PROVED BY THIS SAUDI SCHOLAR BASED ON HIS ARTICLE.
Just because those in Bosnia call themselves Wahbis so that doesn't mean they have any relation with those in Saudi Arabia for instance. I hope you got it by now.
the fundamental understanding of islam as in saudi arabia and egypt (which doesn't suit the liberal bosnians ,of course ) ,
together with hatred ,muder , and committing crimes.....
My sister, again, whatever they are in Bosnia, we don't know about them and only God knows, but we just have to make sure that just because people read that Wahabism is in Saudi Arabia as wiki or what some other sources claim, so that doesn't mean by anyway that there is any relationship between them and those in Bosnia whatever they are, because we don't know them.
Modern scholars may only come to teach remind us of the instructions of the original
Salaf. Among the scholars who follow(ed) the
Salaf-us-Salih in belief and deed, insha'Allah, are:
Imam Abu Hanifah (150 AH), Al-Awzai (157 AH), Ath-Thawri (161 AH), Al Laith ibn Saad (175 AH), Imam Malik (179 AH), Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak (181 AH), Sufyan ibn Uyainah (198 AH), Imam Ash-Shafi'i (204 AH), Ishaq (238 AH), Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal (241 AH), Al-Bukhari (256 AH), Muslim (261 AH), Abu Dawood (275 AH) and others.
Ibn Taymiyyah (728 AH) and his students, Adh-Dhahabi , Ibn al-Qayyim, Ibn Katheer and others. [All listed lived between 728 and 774 AH]
Muhammed bin 'Abd al-Wahhab [1206 AH] and many of his students
Abdul Aziz bin Baz, Muhammed bin Saalih Utheimeen, Muhammed Naasir-ud-Deen al-Albaani (1332 to 1419 AH) [of our time].
- The names in Red are the major 4 schools in Islam nowadays and amongest them the one which sister Djamila follow who is Imam Abu Hanifah.
- The names in Blue represents some of the greatest scholars who collected the hadiths.
- The name in
Green is
Muhammed bin 'Abd al-Wahhab who taught the real message of Islam for people in Arabia (Saudi Arabia and many countries around it) after they turned to praising idols and graves (yes believe it or not!) so he spread the real message of Islam again and all the scholars of Islam in his time and after him have a great respect for him and for what he did.
The issue at hand is about those who call themselves Wahabis and do bad stuff in that name then when people think of Wahabism, they point their finger to Saudi Arabia while Saudi Arabia is the first one who would condemn these acts, and just because that great scholars was there so that doesn't mean the people in that area are like those who falsely call themselves Wahabis, and it's the same thing with those who call themselves Salafis while they don't follow the real path of the Salaf as the article i posted show.
So, to conclude all that we have to know that ...
1-
Wahabis have nothing to do with Saudi Arabia.
2-
Salafis have nothing to do with "Dawat-us-Salafiyyah".
3-
Islam have nothing to do with those who call themselves Muslims and do bad things in the name of Islam.
If anyone on this board have anything against the great scholar
Muhammed bin 'Abd al-Wahhab so let him/her bring any teaching written by him which might have anything to do with violence, i bet you will have none, because people don't know the different between a group who call themselves somthing, and the original teaching itself.
Thanks for your reply sister maro and i hope you got what i mean by now.
Peace and blessing,
TT
