Boy, These Days Evolution Just Can't Seem To Catch A Break

[metis]

Marx didn't invent communism, and he doesn't have a monopoly on the term. What the world knows as Marxism/Lenin-Marxism, it has to do with Marx as Nietzsche had to do with the Nazis. But, anywho, Marxism is a "sub-category" of the much larger category of communism. It's not unusual, for example, to find religious communes who aren't even using the name of Marx.

Exactly, but we often used the capitalized "Communism" to refer to Marxism, whereas "uncapitalized "communism" usually just refers to any collective ownership, such as what Jamestown had at the beginning.

The point is we agree.

 

[We Never Know]

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"Tony Perkins Blames Texas Mass Shooting on Teaching Evolution in School"

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Just after we were told about a month ago that mass shootings are caused by Not Letting Kids “Pray in Our Schools, we now find they're caused by Teaching Evolution in School instead. Gotta wonder what's in store for next month, "Mass Shooting Caused By French Kissing In High School Halls" perhaps?

In any case . . .*sigh* . . . . . .

"After yesterday’s mass shooting in Odessa, Texas left seven (and counting) dead and many more injured, FOX News invited “former police officer,” Family Research Council president, and Christian Right mouthpiece Tony Perkins to offer his analysis.

All the smart people were taken, I guess.

After admitting prayer was not enough — because it never is — Perkins, as usual, shifted to blaming an “absence of morality.” As if atheism and science were inspiring all these mass shootings.

… At some point, we have to realize that we, as a nation, we have a problem. And the problem is not the absence of laws, it’s an absence of morality. Really, the result of the decades-long march through the institutions of America, driving religion and God from the public square.

… I agree, praying alone is not enough. It’s time to act. And it’s not just about having a conversation about restricting those who should not have guns — criminals — but it’s also a discussion of the absence of a moral core in our culture today. I mean, look. We’ve taught our kids they come about through chance through primordial slime, and then we’re surprised that they treat their fellow Americans like dirt!

It’s time we talk about the result of the left’s systematic march through our institutions, driving religious expression from the public square. I think we have to go back to the point where we instill in these children — at least give them the opportunity to know that they’re created in the image of God. Therefore, they have inherent value.

We’ve driven religion from our public life, and we’re shocked that we no longer have morality, and we no longer value human life.
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I don’t recall any of these shooters screaming “Charles Darwin” while running into a Walmart or church. They’re not carrying The God Delusion when police capture them. No mass shooting has ever been thwarted because a misogynistic high schooler saw “In God We Trust” on his classroom wall.

Somehow, other countries in the world educate students about evolution and they don’t see the same levels of gun violence. They don’t have much religion either. They’re happier, healthier, safer, and more godless.

The problem is that people like Perkins insist that common sense must take a back seat to their personal brand of superstition. The problem is that, while Perkins isn’t in Congress, plenty of Christians who share his views are in the Senate and they refuse to budge an inch because their Republican base would flip out. Perkins is priming them to flip out.

It’s up to the rest of us to push back against their inability to deal with reality. If we don’t, these stories will never stop.
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The teaching of evolution is just another excuse on the list.
So far I've seen them blamed on..
-teaching of evolution
-taking god out of schools
-taking prayer out of schools
-they were a Trump supporter
-they were a Trump hater
-the looney left
-the crazy right
-they were religious
-they denied god
-they were racist
-they were white sumpremist haters
-etc.
I don't think yet that I've seen it blamed on just another troubled/crazy person with a gun that probably shouldn't have had a gun.

 

[Michael Rawlings]

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The problem is that people like Perkins insist that common sense must take a back seat to their personal brand of superstition.​

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Common sense? Piffle. The superstitions of evolution and abiogenesis are only exceeded in their drooling stupidity by materialism.

 

[Skwim]

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Common sense? Piffle. The superstitions of evolution and abiogenesis are only exceeded in their drooling stupidity by materialism.

My, my, look at what the primordial ooze just spewed up. But welcome to RF, Mike. Although your stay here may not be long--- people do come and go rather quickly around here--- I look forward to more of your wit.

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[SA Huguenot]

Communist/socialists countries may be largely atheistic, but not all communists/socialists are atheists and not all atheists are communists/socialists. And again, bear no relevance regarding genetic adaptation either way.

OK, So what religion are Communists and socialists?
And If you regard a human to be a Genetic adaptation developed from a lower life form, you disregard the Human created in the immage of God.
Then, as socialism and Communism displayed for over 100 years, the human are to be disposed off if they do not fit in with the socialist view.
The hardcore atheists have no regard for life as a whole, and with their religion of Evolution, yes, religion of evolution, they can never be conservative in their life.
Morality are then infested with free sex, promiscuity, abortion, hatred towards the Christian values, fashism, corruption, and abortion.

The root of Atheism is Evolution, and the fruits of Atheism is poinsonous.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Again, categorically false. Swedes, for example, have the highest rate of personal satisfaction according to a recent study, and yet they are more scientifically-minded and have a higher percentage of atheists that the vast major of other countries.

How nice to have had the Lutheran Church create a country of Christian values where every Atheist can now be free to be an atheist.
Would you like to compare what Sweden is to how East Germany were when Atheists gave the world their model of government?

 

[sealchan]

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"Tony Perkins Blames Texas Mass Shooting on Teaching Evolution in School"

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Just after we were told about a month ago that mass shootings are caused by Not Letting Kids “Pray in Our Schools, we now find they're caused by Teaching Evolution in School instead. Gotta wonder what's in store for next month, "Mass Shooting Caused By French Kissing In High School Halls" perhaps?

In any case . . .*sigh* . . . . . .

"After yesterday’s mass shooting in Odessa, Texas left seven (and counting) dead and many more injured, FOX News invited “former police officer,” Family Research Council president, and Christian Right mouthpiece Tony Perkins to offer his analysis.

All the smart people were taken, I guess.

After admitting prayer was not enough — because it never is — Perkins, as usual, shifted to blaming an “absence of morality.” As if atheism and science were inspiring all these mass shootings.

… At some point, we have to realize that we, as a nation, we have a problem. And the problem is not the absence of laws, it’s an absence of morality. Really, the result of the decades-long march through the institutions of America, driving religion and God from the public square.

… I agree, praying alone is not enough. It’s time to act. And it’s not just about having a conversation about restricting those who should not have guns — criminals — but it’s also a discussion of the absence of a moral core in our culture today. I mean, look. We’ve taught our kids they come about through chance through primordial slime, and then we’re surprised that they treat their fellow Americans like dirt!

It’s time we talk about the result of the left’s systematic march through our institutions, driving religious expression from the public square. I think we have to go back to the point where we instill in these children — at least give them the opportunity to know that they’re created in the image of God. Therefore, they have inherent value.

We’ve driven religion from our public life, and we’re shocked that we no longer have morality, and we no longer value human life.
​

I don’t recall any of these shooters screaming “Charles Darwin” while running into a Walmart or church. They’re not carrying The God Delusion when police capture them. No mass shooting has ever been thwarted because a misogynistic high schooler saw “In God We Trust” on his classroom wall.

Somehow, other countries in the world educate students about evolution and they don’t see the same levels of gun violence. They don’t have much religion either. They’re happier, healthier, safer, and more godless.

The problem is that people like Perkins insist that common sense must take a back seat to their personal brand of superstition. The problem is that, while Perkins isn’t in Congress, plenty of Christians who share his views are in the Senate and they refuse to budge an inch because their Republican base would flip out. Perkins is priming them to flip out.

It’s up to the rest of us to push back against their inability to deal with reality. If we don’t, these stories will never stop.
source

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I would say it is more reasonable to blame the literalism of and lack of basic psychological wisdom in many of today's churches which leave so many families out in the cold of abusive realities and hopelessness which is to blame for mass shootings. Meanwhile we wait for science to rescue us from our failure to address the need for meaning that some individuals may be suffering in. Or for religion to embrace the nature of the reality that God created and offer a much better myth.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

After admitting prayer was not enough — because it never is — Perkins, as usual, shifted to blaming an “absence of morality.” As if atheism and science were inspiring all these mass shootings.

Sometimes I can't tell what words are yours and what aren't in your posts, Skwim, but the above passage from your post I found particularly problematic.

Now, I don't claim to know how everyone else read this, but to me these words read like they follow up "absence of morality" equating it with "atheism and science." It doesn't say he blames atheism, right? In a roundabout way, I suppose he was blaming "science" by citing the teaching in schools, but that is not actually mentioned above. All you mention is "absence of morality," and the next thing you mention as a potential root of that is "atheism and science." I get that you were probably doing so from this "Perkins" character's perspective, except that he didn't actually bring "atheism" into it, and only tangentially mentioned evolution with the "primordial slime" comment (which actually rings more like abiogenesis to me - something not really taught in schools - so, the guy is demonstrably misinformed and ignorant anyway).

In the end though, I'm not sure it helps matters for even those opposed to this guy's ravings to be equating atheism and science with an "absence of morality." I know you weren't doing this... but the words seem to be there, and as far as I can tell they weren't said by Perkins.

 

[Revoltingest]

The root of Atheism is Evolution, and the fruits of Atheism is poinsonous.

FYI, I was an atheist before I ever heard of evolution.

 

[metis]

How nice to have had the Lutheran Church create a country of Christian values where every Atheist can now be free to be an atheist.

Weekly Lutheran church attendance in Sweden, averages less than 10%. And the history of the Lutheran church is certainly not always that of freedom. Luther was in reality quite an intolerant tyrant at times such as with the "Nuremberg Laws" that both Luther and Hitler were in favor of. Maybe check them out.

Again, "atheism" is not synonymous with "hedonism" nor "Marxism", nor does it intrinsically lead to either of them.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Weekly Lutheran church attendance in Sweden, averages less than 10%. And the history of the Lutheran church is certainly not always that of freedom. Luther was in reality quite an intolerant tyrant at times such as with the "Nuremberg Laws" that both Luther and Hitler were in favor of. Maybe check them out.

Again, "atheism" is not synonymous with "hedonism" nor "Marxism", nor does it intrinsically lead to either of them.

And again.
How nice to live as an atheist in a country that was developed by Lutheranism into what you have today.

 

[SA Huguenot]

FYI, I was an atheist before I ever heard of evolution.

So, did you grow up with TV's running on parafin?

 

[Revoltingest]

So, did you grow up with TV's running on parafin?

Ours ran on 110VAC.

"Paraffin" (note correct spelling)....you sound British.

 

[metis]

And again.
How nice to live as an atheist in a country that was developed by Lutheranism into what you have today.

My thinks you should probably spend more time reading the history of the Protestant churches and their leaders before fabricating non sequitures-- just a recommendation.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Ours ran on 110VAC.

"Paraffin" (note correct spelling)....you sound British.

I am trying my best.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

And again.
How nice to live as an atheist in a country that was developed by Lutheranism into what you have today.

Even if this stuff you keep spouting is true, and "Lutheranism" did have some hand in creating a fair/free society, I am not sure how its establishment at the hands of "Lutherans" would somehow disqualify that group of people from further scrutiny or examination of beliefs, etc. In other words - who cares who ultimately established what was "right" if it is, indeed, "right?" Does it matter more who did so, or that we keep striving for more that is "right?"

 

[SA Huguenot]

My thinks you should probably spend more time reading the history of the Protestant churches and their leaders before fabricating non sequitures-- just a recommendation.

Well I did.
They were highly persecuted by the catholics in the middle ages.
Luckily the Catholic Church parted with their practices, and joined in to worship Jesus Christ.
Today Catholics and Christians done fear each other at all.
Except perhaps in Ireland where the Catholics still calls the British government "Protestant".
No "Protestants" ever fought anyone there ever.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Even if this stuff you keep spouting is true, and "Lutheranism" did have some hand in creating a fair/free society, I am not sure how its establishment at the hands of "Lutherans" would somehow disqualify that group of people from further scrutiny or examination of beliefs, etc. In other words - who cares who ultimately established what was "right" if it is, indeed, "right?" Does it matter more who did so, or that we keep striving for more that is "right?"

And I agree!
Your foundation of laws are based on Judeo Christian values, and not Marx's

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

And I agree!
Your foundation of laws are based on Judeo Christian values, and not Marx's

You say that you agree that it does not matter who founded a thing if it is right... and then go on to claim that Judeo Christian values are the base of what we now consider "right." We just agreed that it doesn't matter... so please stop trying to paint the development of free and fair society with your agenda. Do you understand where you are at odds with yourself here? I doubt it... but I'm trying to get it through to you.

And again, Judeo Christian values may very well have been part of the foundation of our relatively free society... but that DOES NOT DISQUALIFY Judeo Christian values from being the next hurdle in poor mode of thought that needs to be overcome. And I am not saying that it is, by any means. But what I am saying is, Judeo Christian values do not just get a "free pass" from scrutiny, and the ongoing quest to make sure that we aren't committing crimes against ourselves with certain ideas or modes of thought. Judeo Christian values should be as much "under the gun" as any philosophical adoption.

And therefore, what you are saying DOESN'T MATTER. No one should care that Christianity had anything to do with founding a free society. The free society is what has been deemed "right" by our culture, NOT "Christianity."

 

[Thief]

I heard that Darwin was a product of incest