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Brahman and the Advaita Vision

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Vrindavana Das

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Veda-anta or the end of Vedic wisdom is to know Kṛṣṇa.

sarvasya cāhaḿ hṛdi sanniviṣṭo
mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaḿ ca
vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyo
vedānta-kṛd veda-vid eva cāham​

I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known. Indeed, I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas. [B.G. 15.15]

Your research and study into the Vedānta has got you to the platform of knowing that you are not this material body, but the transcendental soul. Spiritual life begins from this platform.

A person who takes a loan, after repayment of that loan, is 'free' from debt. Still, he cannot be called a 'rich' person. Similarly, one must advances further from this platform of knowing that he is not the body and through proper practices, 'experience' spiritual bliss of association with Supreme Lord - Kṛṣṇa.
 

Shantanu

Well-Known Member
Veda-anta or the end of Vedic wisdom is to know Kṛṣṇa.

sarvasya cāhaḿ hṛdi sanniviṣṭo
mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaḿ ca
vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyo
vedānta-kṛd veda-vid eva cāham​

I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known. Indeed, I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas. [B.G. 15.15]

Your research and study into the Vedānta has got you to the platform of knowing that you are not this material body, but the transcendental soul. Spiritual life begins from this platform.

A person who takes a loan, after repayment of that loan, is 'free' from debt. Still, he cannot be called a 'rich' person. Similarly, one must advances further from this platform of knowing that he is not the body and through proper practices, 'experience' spiritual bliss of association with Supreme Lord - Kṛṣṇa.

I am a very simple person with a very simple logic to my life: in order to live properly (to get the most from life), one has to understand reality or one will come into danger. If the Reality is Paramatma as Sri Krishna (kindly note that this is the correct name for the Supreme that I have determined through the use of the Chaldean-Hebrew Kabala Numerical Alphabet which I was brought to my notice as follows: A - 1, H - 5, O - 7, V - 6, B - 2, I - 1, P - 8, W - 6, C - 3, J - 1, Q - 1, X - 5, D - 4, K - 2, R - 2, Y - 1, E - 5, L - 3, S - 3, Z - 7, F - 8, M - 4, T - 4, G - 3, N - 5, U - 6; which gives Sri Krishna when spelt with numbers and the numbers are added up the numerological significance of the number 7) then only a fool will not take notice of that and learn about Sri Krishna in the minutest detail that it is possible to know. And you are right the longer one studies the more one realises this association of the atma and the Paramatma so that Vedanta does mean the ultimate knowledge of this Reality. Please refer to this: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_significance_of_the_number_seven_in_the_Bible
 
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Vrindavana Das

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Great!

So let us continue on with our quest to know and understand the ultimate object of knowledge of Vedānta - Supreme Personality of Godhead - Kṛṣṇa.

Haribol!
 

SageTree

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This is mostly because Buddha and subsequent Buddhist masters wanted to separate the idea of the personal self from the absolute reality of Self Awareness.

I find that in advaita thought, the idea of the Self is often taken as a personalized object, which is doubly incorrect. It is not a defect of advaita itself, but insufficient understanding. Buddhist dialectic was to cut through this, but of course, it comes with its own brand of misunderstandings such that now most Buddhists dogmatically cling to the idea of no-self.


I read a really great parable this morning talking about 'Self/lessness', an exegesis from the Mahaparinivana Sutra.

And I figured this seemed like a good place to share it as any.

A woman takes her baby to a healing man. He tells her not to feed the baby until the medicine is digested and it will be healed. So she put bitter tasting oil on her breast, so the baby wouldn't nurse. When the medicine was digested, she cleaned it off and fed the baby.

Like the child, when we are attached to Ego as Self, the Buddha made a bitter oil made of 'denying a Self' so that we stay away from a misunderstood view of It and to break up our attachment to the Ego-Self. But when attachments and misunderstanding are shed, we are able to find the True-Mind of the Self once again, knowing it as Buddha-nature, Pure Awareness.

IDK if it was necessary to share. But I enjoy a good story anytime :)


:namaste
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Great!

So let us continue on with our quest to know and understand the ultimate object of knowledge of Vedānta - Supreme Personality of Godhead - Kṛṣṇa.

Haribol!

That is not the supreme objective of Advaita, which is what classical Vedanta refers to. You should say the supreme objective of Dvaita or Visesadvita or the other theological forms of Vedanta.
 

Shantanu

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dear shantanu ,



yes, discussing krsna is a wonderfull idea , I am sure we all see and understand krsna from a different perspective , do you see him as the end goal ?
Ratikalaji, To rationalise Reality with Sri Krishna as Paramatma in scientific and commonsensical terms takes one a lot of intellectual juggling, as follows:
Different people have different goals. Some are very inquisitive others are dull. Some are totally materialistic and others are spiritualistic in nature. It depends on ones gunas/qualities of nature of where one is within the spectrum of materialism to spiritualism. These gunas are determined by ones genetics and upbringing, and whether Sri Krishna, as Paramatma, has awakened one’s sense of seeking the truth. If one is of a very sattvic (divine) nature basically one might come under the control of Sri Krishna and one will easily transcend your materialistic side and show one’s caring nature. The more inquisitive and sattvic one is and the God has influenced one the better positioned one is to understand the nature of reality. One will not only have to learn enormous amounts of science one will also start to delve into where you get your caring nature from. If one is lucky enough to have studied Biology one will find that that the answers do not lie entirely in your biological-self (that is human nature is not entirely a genetically-based characteristic) but also come from another intrinsic source that guides one in one's thoughts. If one then tries to understand how this works it takes one into very deep struggle and terrible miseries, at the end of which you might see the nature of reality and within that the existence of God hidden in your mind as Paramatma. And then one tries to understand the Nature of God through your own experiences and the study of scriptures, through incidentals, and through correspondence with people going through similar experiences and those with very different atheistic philosophies, one sees in the end that our Hindu sages did get their understandings right, with the outstanding text being the Bhagavad Gita within the epic of Mahabharatta. Thus, one should see from your day-to-day existence that Sri Krishna guides from within, and has enormous powers to influence one’s life from within and without. That is Vedanta because when such a realisation is complete and becomes irreversible everything else becomes unimportant. One lives with Sri Krishna in whatever one does.

So is the end goal of my existence to know Sri Krishna? One does need to know the influence of God in human biology. Further, I cannot abondon commonsense and science. Will Sri Krishna help me to expose the above analysis more clearly? It remains to be seen. The end goal of my existence is in fact to see whether I will have a coherent picture of Reality before I die. Hopefully, I am heading that way and not going backwards. I must also express the truth daily for I practice satya-advaita, the practice of oneness with truth.
 
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Shantanu

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That is not the supreme objective of Advaita, which is what classical Vedanta refers to. You should say the supreme objective of Dvaita or Visesadvita or the other theological forms of Vedanta.
In your view what is the supreme objective of Advaita? What does 'classical Vedanta' mean to you? Why have you used the word classical here?
 
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Vrindavana Das

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Different people have different goals. Some are totally materialistic and others are spiritualistic in nature. It depends on your gunas/qualities of nature of where you are within the spectrum of materialism to spiritualism. These gunas are determined by your genetics and upbringing, and whether Sri Krishna, as Paramatma, has awakened your sense of seeking the truth. If you are of a very sattvic nature basically you might come under the control of Sri Krishna and you will easily transcend your materialistic side and show your caring nature. The more Sri Krishna has influenced you and the more sattvic you are the better positioned you are to understand the nature of reality. You will not only learn enorumous amounts of science you will also start to delve into where you get your caring nature from. If you are lucky enough to have studied Biology you will find that that the answers do not lie entirely in your biological-self (that is human nature is not entirely a genetically-based characteristic) but also come from another intrinsic source that guides you in your thoughts. If you then try and understand how this works it takes you into very deep struggle and terrible miseries, for you might see the nature of reality and within that the existence of God hidden in your mind as Paramatma. And then you try and understand the Nature of God through your own experiences and the study of scriptures, through incidentals, and through correspondence with people going through similar experiences and those with very different atheistic philosophies, you see in the end that our Hindu sages did get their understandings right, with the outstanding text being the Bhagavad Gita within the epic of Mahabharatta. Thus, you should see from your day-to-day existence that Sri Krishna guides from within, and has enormous powers to influence one's life from within and without. That is Vedanta because when such a realisation is complete and becomes irreversible everything else becomes unimportant. One lives with Sri Krishna in whatever one does.

I am in complete agreement with this. You have summarized the whole substance of Vedānta and study of Vedic literature in a very coherent and clear manner.

So is the end goal of my existence to know Sri Krishna? I cannot abondon commonsense and science. Will Sri Krishna help me to explain the above clearly? It remains to be seen. So the end goal of my existence is to see whether I will have a coherent picture of Reality before I die. Hopefully, I am heading that way and not going backwards. I must also express the truth daily for I practice satya-advaita, the practice of oneness with truth.

The end objective for everyone is to understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead - Kṛṣṇa. Either in this life, or next, or later still....its just a matter of time.
 

Shantanu

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I am in complete agreement with this. You have summarized the whole substance of Vedānta and study of Vedic literature in a very coherent and clear manner.

Thank you for saying so. I was not hundred per cent sure of what I wrote but did the best that I knew.
The end objective for everyone is to understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead - Kṛṣṇa. Either in this life, or next, or later still....its just a matter of time.
From what I know, one has only one life on this Earth that advaitists know as vyavaharika and no second life or a second chance to improve ones living as in the thoughts of those who believe in reincarnation and rebirths; also there is no afterlife abode such as heaven, paradise, where apparent devas as souls go to live and enjoy the fruits of their good lives on Earth, and similarly no hell either for those who are not living good lives here on Earth. The only thing that exists is Brahmaloka, an imaginary place in the mind of Sri Krishna within his memory bank where the life stories of those who have lived perfectly decent lives on Earth exist. This is the only mechanism of how in Vedanta the atma becomes in fact an eternal association with Paramatma.
 
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Surya Deva

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In your view what is the supreme objective of Advaita? What does 'classical Vedanta' mean to you? Why have you used the word classical here?

Classical Vedanta refers to the Advaita philosophy. In the same way classical Samkhya refers to the Samkhya philosophy as detailed in the Samkhyakarika. Classical simply means historically the original. As Advaita predates the later dualist interpretations, it enjoys the status of being classical Vedanta. Hence, why many when they use the word "Vedanta" mean Advaita.

The supreme objective of Advaita is self-realization.
 

Haridas

Humble servant of Kṛṣṇa
Classical Vedanta refers to the Advaita philosophy. In the same way classical Samkhya refers to the Samkhya philosophy as detailed in the Samkhyakarika. Classical simply means historically the original. As Advaita predates the later dualist interpretations, it enjoys the status of being classical Vedanta. Hence, why many when they use the word "Vedanta" mean Advaita.

The supreme objective of Advaita is self-realization.
It is said by the person who calls himself "the man of reasoning"...:biglaugh:

Pre-Sankara period, the Vedantists did not subscribe to advaita but rather a different philosophy and will show proof from the words of historians and scholars.
Sankara's philosophy of Advaita is really just Buddhism in disguise and that is also explained in Padma Purana:mayavada-asac-chastram pracchanam bauddham ucyate. In Buddhist scriptures like the Mahaparinirvana sutra and the Lankavatara sutra the seeds of Sankara's philosophy are found. Sunyavada(an prominent school of Buddhism) had an influence on the members of the Vedic Brahminical community who were atheistic at heart. So naturally this began to influence Vedanta scholarship. Advita vada began to appear in Vedanta commentaries even before Sankaracarya for example, in the writings of Gaudapada. In a Chinese version of the Mahaparinirvana-sutra, written after Buddhism was driven out of India, the following note regarding the state of affairs of Buddhist philosophy in India of that time: "Nowadays there are some remaining teachings of Buddha that were stolen by Brahmins and written into their own commentaries." A Buddhist writer by the name of Bhartrhari, who lived about the same time as Sankaracarya, wrote that Sankara had similar ideas as did he and other Buddhist philosophers of that time. So from this we can know that Advaita has it's roots in Buddhism and originates from it.
Now here's proof that pre-Sankara Vedantists did not follow advita:
1)Certain pre-Sankara Buddhist scriptures contain descriptions of the teachings of Vedanta philosophers who used to argue against the Buddhists.
2)The Abhidharma-mahavibhasa-sastra (written around 150 A.D.) and the Satyasiddhisastra (250 A.D.) say that the followers of the Vedas and Upanisads believe in the Mahapurusa Narayan, who existed before the world began and exists within the heart of all creatures with a form of the size of a thumb. The Abhidharma-mahavibhasa-sastra says that the followers of the Vedas believe that, "All that exists is nothing but Purusa. All that happens is caused by the transformation of the self-existent Isvara Narayan."
3)In a work called Sastra by Aryadeva, Vedantists are portrayed as those who believe that the world was created by Brahma, who appeared from the navel of Vishnu.
4)The Buddhist writer Bhavya in the Madhyamika-hrdaya-karika describes the Vedanta philosophy as "Bhedabheda" ("one-and-different") philosophy.
5)In the Tattvasamgraha, the Buddhist writer Kamalasila equates "Vedavadin" with "Purusavadin." He also defines Purushavadis as being those who believe in a personal God.
6)Hajime Nakamura(Japanese Buddhist professor of Sanskrit) also presented strong historical evidence that the ancient pre-Shankara Vedantists were purusa-vadins who believed in personal God as the goal of Vedanta. You can buy his book from Amazon. It's called "A History of Early Vedanta Philosophy" and it received Imperial Prize by the Academy of Japan.
SO Conclusion is: Pre-Sankara Vedantism was personal (aimed at knowing Narayan) and did not hold to a doctrine of "Brahman is only true and all is illusion"
 
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ratikala

Istha gosthi
dear shantanu ji ,


please bear with me as I do not quite understand what you are trying to say , may I ask some questions to clarify ,
Ratikalaji, To rationalise Reality with Sri Krishna as Paramatma in scientific and commonsensical terms takes one a lot of intellectual juggling, as follows:
Different people have different goals.

what are your goals ? do you want to realise sri krsna ? you say you want to realise reality before you die , but do you see that reality as sri krsna ?
Some are very inquisitive others are dull. Some are totally materialistic and others are spiritualistic in nature. It depends on ones gunas/qualities of nature of where one is within the spectrum of materialism to spiritualism. These gunas are determined by ones genetics and upbringing, and whether Sri Krishna, as Paramatma, has awakened one’s sense of seeking the truth.
do you think that through a conection with god in our previous lives that we are born with a predisposition towards god in this life time , that a person who has practicd sincerely with great effort to overcome ones lower natures in his past life might be born with a sattvic (pure) nature in this birth so that he may come closser to god in this life ?


If one is of a very sattvic (divine) nature basically one might come under the control of Sri Krishna and one will easily transcend your materialistic side and show one’s caring nature. The more inquisitive and sattvic one is and the God has influenced one the better positioned one is to understand the nature of reality.
can I re word so that we know that we are saying the same thing ?

this sattvic nature is pure therefore yes it is closer to divinity , and where you say
"one might come under the control of sri krsna and will easily trancend ones materialistic nature" , I would say that one with a satvic nature because he is pure he is not attatched to material nature , because he has more purity he is less clouded and can better realise god , so yes he is inquisitive he wants to realise god , so yes he is better positioned to realise god ,
the point on which I differ is that god is ever present , as we purify our nature we come closer to understanding his true nature , the trancendance comes from our change in desire , when we become inquisitive to know god and no longer want to remain attatched to the material nature we become free from the illusion of material nature , thus we trancend it and become completely attatched to god this is a higher state than goodness , it is pure goodness .

One will not only have to learn enormous amounts of science one will also start to delve into where you get your caring nature from. If one is lucky enough to have studied Biology one will find that that the answers do not lie entirely in your biological-self (that is human nature is not entirely a genetically-based characteristic) but also come from another intrinsic source that guides one in one's thoughts. If one then tries to understand how this works it takes one into very deep struggle and terrible miseries, at the end of which you might see the nature of reality and within that the existence of God hidden in your mind as Paramatma. And then one tries to understand the Nature of God through your own experiences and the study of scriptures, through incidentals, and through correspondence with people going through similar experiences and those with very different atheistic philosophies, one sees in the end that our Hindu sages did get their understandings right, with the outstanding text being the Bhagavad Gita within the epic of Mahabharatta. Thus, one should see from your day-to-day existence that Sri Krishna guides from within, and has enormous powers to influence one’s life from within and without. That is Vedanta because when such a realisation is complete and becomes irreversible everything else becomes unimportant. One lives with Sri Krishna in whatever one does.
"One lives with Sri Krishna in whatever one does."
yes this is pure goodness :)

So is the end goal of my existence to know Sri Krishna? One does need to know the influence of God in human biology. Further, I cannot abondon commonsense and science. Will Sri Krishna help me to expose the above analysis more clearly? It remains to be seen.
yes he will help , he is telling you very clearly in the bhagavad gita ......

always think of me , become my devotee , worship me , offer your obeisances unto me , thus you will certainly come to me , this I promice as you are very dear to me .

ch 18, ...v 65

abandon all varietys of religion and just surrender unto me , I shall deliver you from all sinfull reactions , do not fear .

ch 18, ...v 66


The end goal of my existence is in fact to see whether I will have a coherent picture of Reality before I die. Hopefully, I am heading that way and not going backwards. I must also express the truth daily for I practice satya-advaita, the practice of oneness with truth.
abandon all varietys of religion and just surrender unto me , I shall deliver you from all sinfull reactions , do not fear .
I have not posted this to denigrate forms of religion but just to say that ultimately we only need to surrender to god , we all use our individual traditions to reach the point of surrender .
 

Shantanu

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what are your goals ? do you want to realise sri krsna ? you say you want to realise reality before you die , but do you see that reality as sri krsna ?

My goal now is to live out my life and see what the future holds for me. Sri Krishna is already a living Reality for me within me. My goal is also to assist humanity into a better understanding of Reality. This is my dharma as a sociable person who cares.

do you think that through a conection with god in our previous lives that we are born with a predisposition towards god in this life time , that a person who has practicd sincerely with great effort to overcome ones lower natures in his past life might be born with a sattvic (pure) nature in this birth so that he may come closser to god in this life ?
No one has ever had a previous life or will have a future life as far as I know so no transference of goodness is possible between lives.

I have not posted this to denigrate forms of religion but just to say that ultimately we only need to surrender to god , we all use our individual traditions to reach the point of surrender .
I have problems in accepting many aspects of certain religions as they are really nothing but nonsense that damages humanity. I do not tolerate nonsense from anybody and will have my say to correct it or question it. All questions must be answered and all kinds of behaviour justified in logical commonsense ways that is shown to be in the best interests of humanity.It is is also my dharma to speak out against such and other kinds of injustices.
 
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Surya Deva

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Pre-Sankara period, the Vedantists did not subscribe to advaita but rather a different philosophy and will show proof from the words of historians and scholars.
Sankara's philosophy of Advaita is really just Buddhism in disguise

The critisms that Advaita is Buddhism in disguise are unfounded. Advaita and Buddhism are entirely different philosophies. Some of the fundamental differences

1) Atman vs Anatman: The Advaitins believe in the existence of a permenant unchanging substance of Self, that is Sat-Chit-Ananda, existence, consciousness and bliss. The Buddhists believe in anatman, no permenant substance, all that exists is constant change, no permeant self or universal self or consciousness. Self is an illusion.
2Mayavada vs Shunyavada: Advaita believe all of empirical reality is an appearance of the fundamental cause of Self which is transcendental reality. Buddhists believe that all of empirical reality is empty of form and has no fundamental substance, but is emptiness.


There are similarities between Advaita and Buddhism, but there are fundamental differences which make them very different philosophies.

and that is also explained in Padma Purana:mayavada-asac-chastram pracchanam bauddham ucyate.

Well, yes it would be found in the Puranas, as they are reflect the sectarian biases of their authors. Just as you find Buddha co-opted by the Puranas as the 'deceiver' These texts hold no authority in Hinduism, because they are Smriti, constructed by humans.

In Buddhist scriptures like the Mahaparinirvana sutra and the Lankavatara sutra the seeds of Sankara's philosophy are found. Sunyavada(an prominent school of Buddhism) had an influence on the members of the Vedic Brahminical community who were atheistic at heart. So naturally this began to influence Vedanta scholarship.

Yes, the Mahaparinvana sutras belong to the non orthodox Mahayana school of Buddhism, which claim that the original teachings of Buddha were distorted and they have the real teachings. They accept a transcendental self. This form of Buddhism flourished closer to India, showing clear Hindu influence.

Advita vada began to appear in Vedanta commentaries even before Sankaracarya for example, in the writings of Gaudapada.

Why should this be surprising? Sankara was not the originator of Advaita philosophy, he was simply the most popular proponent of it. His particular tradition is traced to Gaudapada, who the was the teacher of his teacher. One of the oldest and uanimous teacher of Advaita is Yajnavalkya in the Upanishads. I have a thread in the scripture debate forum where you provide evidence from scripture that Upanishads teach Dvaita and not Advaita. It is pretty clear they teach Advaita, even the Mahavakyas are very clear on this: Aham Brahmasmi, Ayam Atma Brama, Pranjana Brahman, Tat Tvam asi.

In a Chinese version of the Mahaparinirvana-sutra, written after Buddhism was driven out of India, the following note regarding the state of affairs of Buddhist philosophy in India of that time: "Nowadays there are some remaining teachings of Buddha that were stolen by Brahmins and written into their own commentaries." A Buddhist writer by the name of Bhartrhari, who lived about the same time as Sankaracarya, wrote that Sankara had similar ideas as did he and other Buddhist philosophers of that time. So from this we can know that Advaita has it's roots in Buddhism and originates from it.

This is not proof, it is a claim made by some anonymous Chinese Buddhist ;)

Now here's proof that pre-Sankara Vedantists did not follow advita:
1)Certain pre-Sankara Buddhist scriptures contain descriptions of the teachings of Vedanta philosophers who used to argue against the Buddhists.
2)The Abhidharma-mahavibhasa-sastra (written around 150 A.D.) and the Satyasiddhisastra (250 A.D.) say that the followers of the Vedas and Upanisads believe in the Mahapurusa Narayan, who existed before the world began and exists within the heart of all creatures with a form of the size of a thumb. The Abhidharma-mahavibhasa-sastra says that the followers of the Vedas believe that, "All that exists is nothing but Purusa. All that happens is caused by the transformation of the self-existent Isvara Narayan."

Not proof, claims.

3)In a work called Sastra by Aryadeva, Vedantists are portrayed as those who believe that the world was created by Brahma, who appeared from the navel of Vishnu.
4)The Buddhist writer Bhavya in the Madhyamika-hrdaya-karika describes the Vedanta philosophy as "Bhedabheda" ("one-and-different") philosophy.
5)In the Tattvasamgraha, the Buddhist writer Kamalasila equates "Vedavadin" with "Purusavadin." He also defines Purushavadis as being those who believe in a personal God.
6)Hajime Nakamura(Japanese Buddhist professor of Sanskrit) also presented strong historical evidence that the ancient pre-Shankara Vedantists were purusa-vadins who believed in personal God as the goal of Vedanta. You can buy his book from Amazon. It's called "A History of Early Vedanta Philosophy" and it received Imperial Prize by the Academy of Japan.
SO Conclusion is: Pre-Sankara Vedantism was personal (aimed at knowing Narayan) and did not hold to a doctrine of "Brahman is only true and all is illusion"

Again, no proof here just claims. What Buddhists say about Vedanta philosophy is not representative of Vedanta philosophy, it is their representation of it. Likewise, Hindus say quite a lot of stuff about Buddhism like Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu and had come to deceive the people by pretending to be atheist, and this is clearly not the actual Buddhist position. Other religions are never going to fairly represent another religious tradition, because they have their own bias, so whatever they say is not reliable. You need real objective, impartial and reliabe evidence to prove that Advaita is cryptobuddhist or Sankara Vedanta was Dvaitist.
 
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Shantanu

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Classical Vedanta refers to the Advaita philosophy. In the same way classical Samkhya refers to the Samkhya philosophy as detailed in the Samkhyakarika. Classical simply means historically the original. As Advaita predates the later dualist interpretations, it enjoys the status of being classical Vedanta. Hence, why many when they use the word "Vedanta" mean Advaita.

The supreme objective of Advaita is self-realization.

What is Vedanta is an important question that needs to be assessed in Hinduism. The essence of the debate centres on which of the various advaitic and dvaitic practices constitutes Vedanta if one considers the word to mean the end of the Vedas. It is however much more than that. It is not to be viewed as a historical development of any idea but the realisation of the highest level of understanding of Reality attained by sages. The analysis of Vedanta therefore needs to be a conceptual one rather than a historical one as to which came first, advaita being a philosophy whereas achintya bhedabheda tattva being a religion. Is it possible to say which came first, relgion or philosophy: did man enquire first or did God reveal first?

Accordingly, if we accept that the supreme objective of advaita is self-realisation, the question is how is the self perceived by the individual. If a Paramatma is perceived as part of process of self-realisation as in achintya bhedabheda tattva one may be tempted to distinguish that from advaita as belonging to a general dvaita philosophy when in fact it is not just the casual acceptance of God in the 'bhakti' path but rather is firmly on the jnana path as is advaita. Advaita and achintya bhedabheda tattva are therefore similar and yet alternative 'practices' in the jnana path, the former leading to a rejection of the Personal aspect of God and thus representing a failure to reach the ultimate Reality whereas the latter being the attainment of the ultimate and hence representing the end-point of truth search (ved-anta) by going beyond Brahman.

Advaita should therefore not be described as vedanta. Essentially, in achintya bhedabheda tattva it is realised that the process of jnana requires the Supreme to intervene to complete the revelation of Reality. When this happens there is nothing further to realise: it is therefore Vedanta.
 
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Haridas

Humble servant of Kṛṣṇa
The critisms that Advaita is Buddhism in disguise are unfounded. Advaita and Buddhism are entirely different philosophies. Some of the fundamental differences

1) Atman vs Anatman: The Advaitins believe in the existence of a permenant unchanging substance of Self, that is Sat-Chit-Ananda, existence, consciousness and bliss. The Buddhists believe in anatman, no permenant substance, all that exists is constant change, no permeant self or universal self or consciousness. Self is an illusion.
2Mayavada vs Shunyavada: Advaita believe all of empirical reality is an appearance of the fundamental cause of Self which is transcendental reality. Buddhists believe that all of empirical reality is empty of form and has no fundamental substance, but is emptiness.


There are similarities between Advaita and Buddhism, but there are fundamental differences which make them very different philosophies.

Dear Surya Deva,
Even popular advaitins agree with me. Dr. Rajmani Tigunait of the Himalayan Institute of Yoga is a present day exponent of advaita and he writes that the ideas of the Buddhist sunyavada (voidist) philosophers are "very close" to Shankara's.
Let us see how they are similar:
1)Sunyavada explicitly says that there is no existence of God while in advaita even though they talk of Ishvara, advaita ultimately says Ishvara is Maya or illusion. So in this way they are both atheistic.
2)The Buddhists say sunya(voidism) which refers to the impersonal emptiness that the Buddhists believe pervades all things. Advita also says the impersonal formless Brahman pervades all things.
3)When one attains the Buddha consciousness, the forms of the world fade away like dreams and only emptiness remains. Similarly, advaita says that when one attains liberation all these worlds go away and only Brahman remain.
4)Sunyavada says individuality is illusion and same thing is said by advaita.

So from this it's clear that advaita maintains the same ideas as Buddhism except it substitutes emptiness or nothingness with the Upanishadic word Brahman.

Also the Buddhist school Vijnanavada say that consciousness is the only truth and that the world we perceive is illusion. and advaita says the same.

Note that all these Buddhist schools predate advaita.

Why should this be surprising? Sankara was not the originator of Advaita philosophy, he was simply the most popular proponent of it. His particular tradition is traced to Gaudapada, who the was the teacher of his teacher. One of the oldest and uanimous teacher of Advaita is Yajnavalkya in the Upanishads. I have a thread in the scripture debate forum where you provide evidence from scripture that Upanishads teach Dvaita and not Advaita. It is pretty clear they teach Advaita, even the Mahavakyas are very clear on this: Aham Brahmasmi, Ayam Atma Brama, Pranjana Brahman, Tat Tvam asi.
Sankara was most indepth with advaita philosophy and always quoted Vedic authority only. Meanwhile, Gaudapada in his Mandukya Karika Chapter 4 He pays obeisances to Buddha! and he quotes famous Buddhist monks such as Vasubandhu and Nagarjuna. This is proof that Gaudapada was influenced by Buddhists. And shows that advaita has its roots in Buddhism. So conclusion is advaita originated from Buddhism and was evolving until the time of Sankara.

Also the concept of Mahavakya is only present in teachings of Sankara and this concept does not exist in the Upanishads nor any other literature. Also the statements you call Mahavakya can be interpreted differently. For example, Aham Brahmasmi can be interpreted as "I am Brahman, the servant of Para Brahman(Supreme Brahman). And Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita that He is Para Brahman. And also I did not say that Upansihads teach dvaita only I said there are both bheda and abheda statements which makes both advaita and dvaita incomplete.
Well, yes it would be found in the Puranas, as they are reflect the sectarian biases of their authors. Just as you find Buddha co-opted by the Puranas as the 'deceiver' These texts hold no authority in Hinduism, because they are Smriti, constructed by humans.
You simply say the same thing you said in the other thread and I have refuted you in the other thread. I showed proof from major Upanishads where it says that smriti are fifth Veda and they all emanate from the Supreme. SO It is incorrect to say that smriti holds no authority in Sanatana Dharma. But rather your corrupted and biased opinions hold no authority in Sanatana Dharma. This reminds me of the story of 6 blind men who came to see an elephant and each touched different parts of the elephant and interpreted it differently. One touched the trunk and said elephant is like a snake, another touched the tail and said elephant is like a rope, one touched the tusk and said its like a sphere, one touched the belly and said elephant is like a wall and the fifth blind man caught hold of the leg and said its like a pillar and the sixth got on it and touched its ears and said its like a fan. Now which of these is correct or which of these are wrong? Actually all are right in their perspective but its not complete understanding of the elephant. So similarly if you just accept and look at a few parts of Vedic literature you will come to wrong conclusions. But if you accept and read as a whole you come to right and complete conclusions.
Again, no proof here just claims. What Buddhists say about Vedanta philosophy is not representative of Vedanta philosophy, it is their representation of it. Likewise, Hindus say quite a lot of stuff about Buddhism like Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu and had come to deceive the people by pretending to be atheist, and this is clearly not the actual Buddhist position. Other religions are never going to fairly represent another religious tradition, because they have their own bias, so whatever they say is not reliable. You need real objective, impartial and reliabe evidence to prove that Advaita is cryptobuddhist or Sankara Vedanta was Dvaitist.
I did not mention anything about what Buddhists thought or say about Vedanta philosophy but I said Buddhist recorded what they witnessed Vedantists were like and what they believed. And when there are 5 or 6 sutras of different authors and different Buddhist schools claim the same thing that: during that time Vedantists were purushavadis, it then becomes quite a strong evidence. Also my 6th point about the book "A History of Early Vedanta Philosophy" although I have not read it but from other readers I heard the author shows strong evidence of what I just said above that Vedantists during pre-Sankara time was purushavadis. And it wouldn't have received Imperial Prize just for nothing. Plus you have shown no evidence of your claim that historical or original Vedanta was advaita.
 
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