- One I can briefly say was that Africa played, it said "I am the Ring Lord, Lord of Treasure, Encompasser wrapped around everything inside and out" and things like that for a while. Then I heard the song and then for no apparent reason left what I was doing and walked some weird path and directions right to a place where I turned my head and at eye level was a golden ring with striations all around it. I picked it up and wore it on my finger which it fit perfectly. Then I was flooded with gifts and treasures and metallic looking copper things and collected all these things and told I was being especially protected and thus moved across the country sporadically and unexpectedly on a whim putting me far away from my place in Vancouver and I had just gotten the new place also by very low probability miraculous means and then was equipping it where I was shown all these things and given the ring too as a reminder and gift.
- There are many tales, one has me deal with The Controller, and I am in a subway train and it is whispered into my senses as if it is talking into my right ear and mind, that Watch me, I am going to stop this and not move it until you decide to get off it.
- The moment it had said it, the vehicle almost explosively stopped dropping everyone to the ground as if they were in a prostrating position and I remained sitting but quite in awe. It then would not move it and I did not decide to get off still. I waited to see if it would move. It didn't. The radio person could not explain what was causing this vehicle which functions normally usually not to be able to move. Then I decided, Ok, I will get off, this is too scary" and the moment I decided that it moved and dropped everyone to the ground in prostration again. It then said "I Control All Things, I am the Master" or something, and reminded me how it did exactly what it said it would do. These thoughts or whispers into the right ear were as if audible and then it told me where to go. The train stopped at the stop but again wouldn't move past the stop and I ran out and then it went normally.
- I went to the place it directed me to go and there it led me to some objects, a realistic heart prop and a big black bull head with talking mouth. I didn't get these things because the next day was going to be a sale where these expensive items would be 50 percent off or 75 percent off or something.
- I returned the next day and got them and they were placed by a lack of space at the highest point of my room looking over ke. My entire room is like a magical temple just by chance with everything in its place just like my posts in my blog are formulated like entire mandalas full of signs and reminders.
- The Controller also had another shorter story like that of the shorter treasure story. In that one it whispered to me to look for the Black Bull, that I will be made to walk and look up and will see a black bull in the heights, and led me straight to a place through winding paths and turns randomly taken like a zombie where I was then made to stop, and look up, and there was the giant Black Bull and I went in to eat there haha, that is where it told me I was supposed to eat that day.
- Now things get weirder that these. Besides the numerous times this Vehicle Mover and Stopper has said "Watch this, I am going to stop this vehicle" then it blows up the vehicle or it crashes a few moments later like it stopped a bus in this manner and it told me to get off and go to a certain place to get some things, which again led me to find things I didn't get which led to extra journeys later with many more adventures and "labors" with even more gifts.
- It has shown me amazing things and huge electric blasts, but most amazingly was when it whispered to me about making me invisible and then people standing 2 feet away from me could not see me even as they looked for me. I only realized later that had The Master kept me invisible, I would be like a ghost. They could not see me I was right in the opened but had been told "Watch this, I am going to make you completely invisible, I control everything easily" and then it did so and was proven because people could not see me and were looking for ke right in front of me and looking through me. Then I followed them back where I finally re appeared and startled them and they said where the heck did I appear from? They were sincerely frightened. That is the God of the Wind and Movement, the One God.
- I have also had amazing things occur with each element.
- When these designs are given to me they are often after an electric tone occurs in the ear and then reality seems to unfurl and amazing messages appear right before me.
- That is just a fraction of the amazing tales and experiences which have physical things going on which are very special and real.
- The reason I mention them is that their improbability leads to amazement and even fear and humility and extreme groveling gratefulness.
- Maybe you even have had such miraculous things occur but simply didn't care or notice. I've seen totally amazing things happen to other people and they act like they didn't even see it or notice and are blind, deaf, dumb or dull in the senses with no awareness.
- If you had experiences like I do, you would be a very happy person maybe, not that you aren't happy as it is, but possibly even happier living in a world full of magic with a power close to ear and at hand, whispering loving messages and giving you gifts and knowledge and making you see amazing occurrences and acknowledge and take notice of miracle after low probability miracle and seemingly near impossibilities and predictions one after another.
- So even my logic based thing I wrote wouldn't please me as much as the Living Personal Intelligence that controls my reality and experience and tells me it is going to do things, does them, shows me things, explains things. Though God does everything bad too, this is Agape for sure. Agape means "turning towards, giving attention to, giving care to".
- Wow! I'm amazed again! I burst out laughing as I watched the lyrics video because I noticed now it even mentioned the old man who was in the window who was stopped there and staring blankly like a zombie!
- All Life is a Miracle
- Elements of the other stories and many if my tales are mentioned in this song as well, notice the train!
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So its not that I feel I am denying any of the Devas or Asuras but consider them all epithets, manifestations, forms, aspects, references to The One.
Are your family Atheists too? Is this a common viewpoint? How did you come to this? I am secretly a little bit pleased that the people stopped seriously worshipping Indra and Mitra-Varuna becausd then I feel a little special and exclusive in that worship, and Vayu, where the name "Vayu" was whispered into my ear, and my father always called me Bheemo, Bheem, Bheema and things like that for no apparent reason but then of course I later learned the connection to Vayu. Vayu and the winds have long been close to me, where my family watched me as I breathed and seemingly could make the winds go wild out of nowhere any time I would do that practice.
I don't know what miracles I mentioned above but there were many involving various elements I may not have brought up. Since these are physical and real thingsm that everyone can see, they don't seem like the imaginary sort of things people often seem to talk about or which are easily denied by people.
Do you think if you experienced such things you would become more theistic too?
If I may...I am also one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Although @Deeje and I live in different countries, our spiritual beliefs are exactly the same. So........
We believe the demons are real creatures who chose - through Free Will - to be disobedient, as the Bible highlights about "the angels that sinned" (2 Peter 2:4), those which "left their proper abode" (Jude 1:6). When did (most of these) demons choose this course? The Bible tells us, @ Genesis 6:1-4.
Now, think of the ancient myths of Greek, Roman, Norse, Hindu, etc., origin...they all have "gods" coming to Earth, and having sex w/ women, and producing offspring. This is what Genesis 6 reveals as accurate pre-Flood history.
(How would these myths, some quite diverse, share such common events, if it were not based actual events? It also explains why Jehovah God would cause such a catastrophic set of events.
Satan was the first one to sin, causing rebellion in Eden. Is he real? In reading Matthew 4, we conclude he is: Jesus was sinless; he couldn't have been tempted by his own evil inclinations...he had none.
According to 1 John 5:19 & Revelation 12 7-9,12, his influence is worldwide! Again, look at this divided world, and how the Bible is becoming more and more irrelevant in peoples lives. And Jesus prophesied that, even among those precessing Christianity, a powerful force would be behind their actions, but it would not be from Jesus. -- Matthew 7:21-23
Yes, we believe in the Resurrection, but it is a future event. Notice Acts of the Apostles 24:15...."there is going to be...." Right now, most of mankind are sleeping in the grave (Acts of the Apostles 7:60; 1 Corinthians 15:20), from which they will be resurrected. (John 5:28-29) Again, at a future time. --John 6:40.
On Earth, BTW.
Revelation 21:3-4 offers humans a great future. Even Isaiah 11:6-9 will get fulfilled! Can you imagine?!
Do you know about Dr. Michael Heiser?
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I do not see it that way. There is no 'The One'. To imagine him and then so many other things, would lead to many untruth. Why start on such a road?
No. No one in my family is an atheist. I came to this with science, my scriptures and analysis. Fortunately, my religion has already discussed these points very thoroughly and leaves a place for my kind of views (atheism and not considering Brahman as a God - Gaudapada - Wikipedia, Hindu atheism - Wikipedia.
I have neither experienced any kind of miracle nor believe in any kind of magic, occult, mysticism or para-normal. I am a hard-nosed science person.
The last statement in your poll: ".. I don't believe anything exists! I have no senses!"
Existence has not been defined completely. What would you say about matter changing into energy (atom bomb)? Does this energy exist or not? It is not mass/matter. Dark Energy, Dark Matter? If the atoms do not really exist and they are just waves of energy, then neither you nor your senses really exist. It is all a mirage, 'maya' (Hinduism), 'anatta' (without substance - Buddhism).
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Dramatically condensed version:
Death - souls either go to a heavenly waiting room until the resurrection or go to hell, get cleansed and join the rest in the waiting room. Really, really evil people are wiped from existence.
Resurrection - sometime after the coming of the messiah. Good people will be restored to life.
The World To Come - sometime after the resurrection, deserving people will transitioned to a new state of existence in a new world.
I'm not the judge, so I can't tell you what will happen to the majority of mankind. If they're deemed good, then good things will happen. If not, then they'll be wiped from existence (no eternal hell). Whatever happens, the good people will still be rewarded.
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Skanky Old Mongrel!
OK.....
errr..... OK.
Yeah.... OK.
I said OK!
Yeah.... No probs...
I don't think that you do......... not from when I get up, anyways.....
Keep the laws. If you don't like 'em change where you live.
What? You mean about when my Missus goes all funny, grabs hold of me and drags me on to the kitchen floor, and stuff like that? You don't want to know.....
Yep...... in my old age I now realise that I have been afflicted with mental conditions all my life, but so far no researcher has identified these exactly, named them and written stuff about them so the World doesn't know about them, and anyway, now I'm ok with it all.
Yeah...... Look up in to a clear dark sky. Everything you see, and don't see, and beyond..... all os a part of God. Now look in the mirror..... and 'yes', you are a part of it all as well.
Everything is a miracle. Oh, and at 0130hrs on Monday 16th October 2017 I got healed, by a healer. Yep..... I did. Won't forget that......
I led a life of uselessness until at age 43yrs I met my wife. I've been more useful since then.
Ummmmm........ errr.......
Look around, just wherever you are,
Look up above and pick any star,
Now look within, the view is the same,
You're looking at 'God' by any other name.
Old-B *shuffles feet. .... embarrassed*
Sitting astride a Harley, cruising along the esplanade, hearing and feeling it's huge engine thumping as it thrusts me along.
But I'm sensible and just have an electric bike. *chokes.... sobs*
Yep........ grab a book...... and book...... 'The joys of sex in the Woods' will do. Now look at the pages..... all those atoms in that paper. hey're all and tiny part of God, as are you.
I know!...... Nobody ever asks me anything........
God is so vast that God is quite unaware of this particular tiny planet!
So I am not a Theist........ I am a Deist! But atheists won't let me in their club, so I am a non-Theist........
No, I was not....... I wasn't on your list.
Deists never are.
Thank you, I am pleased that our discussions have taken on a more mature tone.
Because the Bible is one story from Genesis to Revelation. I need no other scripture because its all there in one book. The internal harmony of the Bible writers from shepherds to fishermen to kings, recorded over a 1600 year period, is striking. No work of men could have produced it. It records prophesy written hundreds of years before the events took place. We ourselves are living in a period of time prophesied by Jesus almost 2,000 years ago. And Daniel, about 500 years before that.How could mere men have foretold any of that?
Revelation 11:18 foretells that 'God is bringing to ruin those who are ruining the earth'....at the time that this was penned, man had no capacity to ruin the earth at all....that has only happened since the 20th century.
Worship is the offering of honor and reverence to a deity, which involves all aspect of one's life. It encompasses reverence and appreciation for what is provided on the earth to sustain our lives. It is humans who have spoiled God's earth and caused too many of its inhabitants to live in poverty. I believe that he will rectify all those things once Jesus has sorted the sheep from the goats. We look forward to the restoration of paradise on this earth.
Following the Bible is one way to keep the devil out of your life. He can only influence those who have not "put on the complete suit of armor from God". (Ephesians 6:10-13) Living by Bible laws and principles keeps the devil out of your mind and heart, though it cannot keep him out of your life. He is God's "adversary", continually trying to separate us from God by our own actions. He started in Eden and has used the same tactics ever since.
God has his rules and if we abide by them, we leave no room for the devil to enter our thinking.
No human knows exactly "what" God is....but we know "who" he is through the pages of the Bible and through the teachings of his son....who was the greatest teacher who ever lived. He not only taught us about God but said that he was a perfect reflection of his personality. (Colossians 1:15)
There is no support in the Bible for any of that.
The Bible is full of terminology that describes God with human attributes, but more correctly I think humans have God's attributes as we are made in his image...he is not made in ours...(although some people try to make God fit their image.) We had no existence before our birth and we do not have existence after death according to the Bible. We are born into a material world as material beings who require material sustenance, water and air to survive. We are not designed to live outside of earth's atmosphere. This was meant to be our permanent home.
Where do I start?
Having been raised in the Anglican church, the things that struck me the most were 1) the trinity.....I never understood how this supposedly vital doctrine is not mentioned in the Bible at all. It was incomprehensible and a thorough study of the scriptures puts it to bed quite quickly.
Another big one for me was, 2) that there is no conscious life after death. There is no teaching of an immortal soul or spirit in the scriptures. At death a person "sleeps" in an unconscious state awaiting a resurrection. (like Jesus' friend, Lazarus. John 11:11-14)
And 3) this means that there is no hell of eternal torment either.
Those are the main teachings that sets JW's apart from Christendom. There are many more but those are the bigger ones. I came to realize that non-Christian religions incorporate all those components in their worship, because they have the same author. The god of his own religious empire, satan the devil.
My brother has given you a fine explanation of our beliefs concerning angels and their interaction with humans. These spirits always manifested in human form. No angel appeared to humans in spirit form. All forms of spiritism were forbidden. (Deuteronomy 18:9-12)
When the disobedient angels materialized human bodies in Noah's day, in taking any woman they chose, they produced a hybrid race of freakish children who were gigantic in size and violent and immoral by nature. The whole world of that time was affected by their presence, so much so that God was forced to take drastic action to eradicate them from existence and to send their errant fathers back to the spirit realm where he placed them under restraint. They were never able to materialize again. God then brought the world back into balance and under his control to start again, getting his purpose back on track.
There is rank and order in God's heavenly organization. Cherubs (unlike the babies in Catholic art) were powerful guardians, whereas the Seraphs were pictured as attendants upon Jehovah's throne.
Michael we believe, was the pre-human Jesus and upon his return to heaven,he took up his role again as Commander of the angelic forces. He is seen again evicting satan and his demons from heaven down to the earth in Revelation 12:7-12 resulting in increasing his activity as his time is almost up. We can clearly see what he is doing to this world to make our lives miserable and to shake our faith in God.
Gabriel is the only other angel named in the scriptures. He was used as a messenger to both Daniel and Mary.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
then.....we end up alongside others that think and feel as we do
How else to be happy?
How else to be fair?
Practice?....as in dogmatic?
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Do unto others as you would have it done unto you
because it will be
By the last statement, I meant someone denying any sort of experience or any kind of information whatsoever, for example, whether one calls it illusion or not, denying any thought, any sight, any vision, anything whether one considers it input or not. It is undeniable that there is at its absolute vaguest "experience" even if one denies being the experiencer, and "information". Things like the system of science I believe on an immediate level but on another level I consider it just a story told in some moments of some experiences as a mere invention and there are likely other things that can be made up by the one that you don't believe exists, probably rightfully so, since the ideas associated with the power behind animated experience are often silly and too anthropomorphic.
I very much look forward to it and there is no rush! Take your time and contact me any time at your leisure! Here or via my email at [email protected]
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I agree to nearly all that you said. The inputs are there and we process the inputs in our own faulty/biased/spectacled/nonunderstanding ways. If science (since I follow science, and since what I believe is no different from science) we come across any indication of things that I do not believe in, I assure you that I will change my views. But till then, such views are too silly and anothropomorphic for me to believe in (and perhaps you too will agree to that).
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I do agree with that, I'm totally opposed to anthropomorphism. What I consider to be God, which I describe here:I agree to nearly all that you said. The inputs are there and we process the inputs in our own faulty/biased/spectacled/nonunderstanding ways. If science (since I follow science, and since what I believe is no different from science) we come across any indication of things that I do not believe in, I assure you that I will change my views. But till then, such views are too silly and anothropomorphic for me to believe in (and perhaps you too will agree to that).
Azathoth : A Dialogue with Dagon - Pastebin.com
Is not a human or a creature, and the "intelligence" factor is only related to an ability to selectively generate or not generate rather than obstructed generation. The "Aum" is basically mentioned in that document as I explain.
God is "bodiless, pure, like nothing", literally like nothing, not a vacuum, not space, not laws, not information, so absolutely not anthropomorphic but is the force responsible for every moment of generated information and its appearance of change.
What I explain in that document is clarification or elaboration or detail for what was in this:
Two Logics One Miracup(s) - Pastebin.com
What I've found through now maybe two decades of asking people about their thoughts and views, is that there must be a developmental period where concepts and words like God take on meanings and even visual references in the minds of people which become extremely calcified and difficult to move or escape from, even if they become atheists later, they continue to think of this word in ways which specifically refer to a very human-like being or form, some form, and getting them away from such a notion proves to be difficult, even if they deny God exists, what they are saying doesn't exist is heavily attached to this notion.
Which is why murti and images and symbolism like that or stories like those in the Bible or Puranas can be utterly destructive due to free and heavy anthropomorphism.
There is no such God, and even if there was and it were to come down saying such, that would never be God, but just information, just like anything else, God can never be that.
So even when people say "I'd believe in God if God showed himself or appeared to me", I take it as a statement that they are still stuck on that damned concept of a bodily God creature and are far from understanding the true power or why it can never ever be information and why anything that is information is in a sense our equal and not appropriate for worship nor powerful no matter how powerful it may appear.
Even why God is "One" is not just a mere statement or claim, but is due to there being nothing or any factor which can be divided as the substrate underlying the generation and elimination and generation of information.
Even everyone on this website, from all the religions, mainly seems to not comprehend what God is, and what they say they believe in and talk about is just conjecturing and what they imagine are usually just total lies and falsehood.
That is the case all across the world.
The Atheists often come closer to God than many of the theists in their understandings, but they become locked about this word "God" and also locked into science and scientific systems and explanations, also into other arbitrary and temporary dream-like convincing things such as the existence of bodies and minds, that there are real objective objects and bodies receiving signals, when all they ever are or ever know is the flat layer of information that is being experienced, which like a television screen, they don't if know if they really have a back side at all. In another flat layer of information, an entirely different story could be told in an instant, and so they become lost in the immediate story being told in them and "as" them moment to moment. Stepping just a notch back or past the wall of all inclusive information which makes up the whole of their reality, the sight of their own hands before them and a sense of depth like the depth of a video game which should have given them a clue, is nothing except what is not like what they are, the opposite of all this information and appearance and stuff, and it is generating the whole of their illusion and the whole of their impression that they even have a mind, which is nothing more than a painted thing painted in a frame and gone and then a new frame.
That is why we, for all our talk, are not the truly living and thinking ones we appear to be, but that is the impression produced like pictures in a flip book that when flipped through appear animated and active through the appearance of change.
I don't believe anyone on just about any website or much of the world has much of an understanding or much of a religion, and much of their worship and meditations and thoughts seem misdirected.
There should be no blind faith involved, no confidence for the sake of confidence, no boldness, but a strict reasoning which makes every thing clear and sharply detailed and explained without any holes or escapes.
Now, in asking people about such things, I've found even clear reasoning is not sufficient though to experience the true fruits and joys of knowing Mitra precisely, but what is needed over this is interaction and clear response with real and undoubtable, improbable, and totally powerful results made of information, real experiences with real objects and real dialogue and near impossible predictive speech and intelligence and coherence involved. Stories like that are at the bottom of my "Miracup(s)" document, but what those experiences are credited to and why specifically is an extremely important first factor, since without that, and just experiencing things, one would be lost as to what is doing it and why it can not or is never anything else.
That even gives me the thought that without the proper preliminary understanding, the God and the God's activities and clear communications remain totally concealed because if they were to be apprehended the people would misunderstand and give credit falsely to their erroneous conceptions they have become cursed to serve and feed wastefully and towards no improvement for their conditions inside and which they sense around them.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Then why use the word God which has so many anthropomorphic connotations and then try to explain your understanding of the word? Use some other word. Just like you deprecate the use of idols, 'murtis'; I deprecate the use of the word 'God'. You have to do all this explaining just because you are using the word 'God'. Abandon its use, it is hugely misleading. I use 'Brahman'. When I say "I do not believe in existence of God", I deny the God of the theists. For me what all seems to exist in any form is 'physical energy', I see no other.
My books say, "Eko sad, dwiteeyo nasti" (What exists is one there is no second), or "Sarvam khalu idam Brahma" (All things here are Brahman).
In your Miracup's link, you said, "So there has always been Something". I see no reason to believe that. From where did this "always been existing" thing arise from? Therefore, there is only one answer. We must abandon the distinction between existence and non-existence. They must just be phases of the same thing. Existence must be dissipating in non-existence and again arising from it. What we are talking about ('Brahman') and which constitutes all things in the universe (or universes, if there are many), is beyond existence and non-existence.
My books say, "Eko sad, dwiteeyo nasti" (What exists is one there is no second), or "Sarvam khalu idam Brahma" (All things here are Brahman).
In your Miracup's link, you said, "So there has always been Something". I see no reason to believe that. From where did this "always been existing" thing arise from? Therefore, there is only one answer. We must abandon the distinction between existence and non-existence. They must just be phases of the same thing. Existence must be dissipating in non-existence and again arising from it. What we are talking about ('Brahman') and which constitutes all things in the universe (or universes, if there are many), is beyond existence and non-existence.
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Then why use the word God which has so many anthropomorphic connotations and then try to explain your understanding of the word? Use some other word. Just like you deprecate the use of idols, 'murtis'; I deprecate the use of the word 'God'. You have to do all this explaining just because you are using the word 'God'. Abandon its use, it is hugely misleading. I use 'Brahman'. When I say "I do not believe in existence of God", I deny the God of the theists. For me what all seems to exist in any form is 'physical energy', I see no other.
My books say, "Eko sad, dwiteeyo nasti" (What exists is one there is no second), or "Sarvam khalu idam Brahma" (All things here are Brahman).
In your Miracup's link, you said, "So there has always been Something". I see no reason to believe that. From where did this "always been existing" thing arise from? Therefore, there is only one answer. We must abandon the distinction between existence and non-existence. They must just be phases of the same thing. Existence must be dissipating in non-existence and again arising from it. What we are talking about ('Brahman') and which constitutes all things in the universe (or universes, if there are many), is beyond existence and non-existence.
That is the whole premise. "True Nothing" by definition can not be responsible for generating anything. I use the word God because it gives me a shortcut to communicating with the majority of the world population and better influencing them by things they already claim to believe in.
By definition, "Nothing" can't do anything, because it isn't anything, it doesn't exist, there isn't anything to do anything, and so if there was ever absolute Nothing there would still be absolute Nothing. For something to pop into existence even there has to be an underlying system or ability for that to occur. I go through this step by step but it seems scarcely ever understood or dealt with with any patience. They think "Nothing" must mean something like empty space, but no, it refers to a lack of anything, any sort of information, no laws, no blackness or whiteness, no time, no progress, dimensions, nothing. Nothing can't do anything and can't bring about anything nor be present if anything is present then there is not nothing or no-thing but "that thing" by definition. It could be language issues which also confuse people since these words can be used in other ways and people may not be accustomed to this particular definition.
I explain I think in therd how the "something that is, is Like Nothing but is not truly or Absolute Nothing by the way I am defining these words but is Non-Information, its the baseline necessary for anything else to exist. Thats ok, most people also only read the first line or so and think they have understood everything being said, I try anyway on the off-chance someone may be able to read it but so far its never been possible. It does have the value of making other people in just a few lines think they are very smart though.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Well, in my belief, all things arise from 'true nothing'. If there is no 'true nothing' you have to explain the arising of whatever you think exists. That 'true nothing' cannot produce anything is 19th Century thinking. Quantum mechanics may show us different things. This is a work in progress. Perhaps, @Polymath257 could give us a hint about this.
"In some theories of particle physics, even such basic structures as mass, space, and time are viewed as emergent phenomena, arising from more fundamental concepts such as the Higgs boson or strings. In some interpretations of quantum mechanics, the perception of a deterministic reality, in which all objects have a definite position, momentum, and so forth, is actually an emergent phenomenon, with the true state of matter being described instead by a wavefunction which need not have a single position or momentum. Most of the laws of physics themselves as we experience them today appear to have emerged during the course of time making emergence the most fundamental principle in the universe (according to whom?) and raising the question of what might be the most fundamental law of physics from which all others emerged."
Emergence - Wikipedia
Ex-nihilo by Frederick Hart at Washington National Cathedral.
"In some theories of particle physics, even such basic structures as mass, space, and time are viewed as emergent phenomena, arising from more fundamental concepts such as the Higgs boson or strings. In some interpretations of quantum mechanics, the perception of a deterministic reality, in which all objects have a definite position, momentum, and so forth, is actually an emergent phenomenon, with the true state of matter being described instead by a wavefunction which need not have a single position or momentum. Most of the laws of physics themselves as we experience them today appear to have emerged during the course of time making emergence the most fundamental principle in the universe (according to whom?) and raising the question of what might be the most fundamental law of physics from which all others emerged."
Emergence - Wikipedia
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I'm defining the word in my own way, I am not talking about the nothingness of a pre-existing system or probability system which allows for things to arise. If there is "arising" then there has to be a system or lawsl of some sort which permit or include the possibility of "arising" and furthermore there is progress or activity to allow for an event to occur, these are "things" even if they are immaterial things. So "True No Things" is a lack of any possibility or system existing in any way which could allow such arising, and so there never was any such thing, because there was arising, and so there was a system thus present which had arising inclusive.
In the Azathoth document I explain why the substrate can not be so complex while unanimated or without a force as to be the underlying cause.
I think that the language is too specific and difficult because I am using peculiar usages of the words that the subtlety of what I am talking about can't be grasped easily.
So we actually probably agree mainly, just use words differently.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I agree that you have a point there. As I said this investigation is a work in progress in science. We (the humanity) may know it in future, but I do not think it will happen in my life time and with Corona virus around.