British Israelism?

[Father Heathen]

Why not leave people alone and not bully them?

...You people are like sharks feeding off each others senses after smelling blood. And for what...??

This forum is about education and debate. Correcting factual inaccuracies and logical fallacies is what we do. Why would we be obliged to humor people who attempt to revise history and mythos to further some goofy agenda?

 

[Cooky]

This forum is about education and debate. Correcting factual inaccuracies and logical fallacies is what we do. Why would we be obliged to humor people who attempt to revise history and mythos to further some goofy agenda?

I guess I've been educated on one of the dumbest concepts I've heard in a long time.

 

[InChrist]

Yes, of course...

" These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions : "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel " ( Mathew 10:5-6 )

Hmmmm, looks like somebody knew where they were ….

Yes, Jesus and the apostles knew where they were because they were for the most part, in Israel. There were no “lost 10 tribes” as claimed by those of British Isrealism/Christian Identity adherents and this idea is simply a myth. The lost sheep Jesus referred to were the Jews and the people of the other tribes present in Israel who were “spiritually lost”.


What is British Israelism and is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

 

[74x12]

British Israelism...

I heard about this for the first time yesterday, someone mentioned it in a thread somewhere or other:

British Israelism - Wikipedia

I find it ridiculous for many reasons, I cannot believe people actually believed it

It sounds like a joke

Does anyone here believe the claims of British Israelism?

It's ridiculous.

All major British races have traditionally traced their lineage from Japheth. Of course people don't take those lineages seriously anymore. But I think there is something to it. We can't just throw out history.

 

[InChrist]

Christianity has earned much of the animosity people view it with these days. It has psychologically traumatized many millions of people thoughout the centuries, for one.

I would just like to interject that it was/is “PEOPLE” using Christianity as a religious/political weapon that has traumatized millions of people throughout the centuries.
I think the distinction is important.
Jesus Christ does not traumatize. He loves and saves people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would just like to interject that it was/is “PEOPLE” using Christianity as a religious/political weapon that has traumatized millions of people throughout the centuries.

That's what people like to say, to make themselves feel better, but it's a fallacy. They followed your god, read your Bible, Jesus makes it clear judgement is exclusively god's right.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

...Why would anyone know anything about such a stupid, narcissistic concept as that?

I learned some about it first time I heard about any such thing. At best, such "anglo-jew" beliefs are whacko and nutters (but still not as looney as scientology). At worst, they manifest as anti-semitism and terrorism.

 

[Harel13]

The word "British" literally means "Brith" "Ish" -of the birthright.

i would've gone with ברית-איש - Brit-Ish, man of the covenant. That is, if I would've seriously bought into any of this.

 

[Jedster]

i would've gone with ברית-איש - Brit-Ish, man of the covenant. That is, if I would've seriously bought into any of this.

I've come across these people a few times here in England.
Like all the other groups/denominations that want to be "the chosen people", it gets really boring after a while.
Even though I am not religious they still try and sell it to me, even after I tell them I am a non-theist,

I just wish Jesus, if he existed, could have found a way to say what he wanted without mentioning the Torah, then Jews may have had a more peaceful history.

 

[PruePhillip]

I take it this is a follow-up to the thread on flat-earthers.

I dunno... IF being Jewish is simply a religious experience then maybe....
but then, I believe there's a strong DNA component to being Jewish, so
it can't be possible.

 

[exchemist]

I dunno... IF being Jewish is simply a religious experience then maybe....
but then, I believe there's a strong DNA component to being Jewish, so
it can't be possible.

No it is just the usual romantic and fanciful claims of proud people trying to make themselves exclusive:-

And did those feet, in ancient time, walk upon England's mountains green? [No]
And was the holy Lamb of God on England's pleasant pastures seen? [No]
And did the countenance divine shine forth upon our clouded hills? [No]
And was Jerusalem builded here, among these dark, satanic mills? [What are you smoking?]

All that stuff about King Arthur and the Holy Grail, the ridiculous idea that Joseph of Arimathea came to England, etc, is all is in similar vein.

 

[Faithofchristian]

British Israelism...

I heard about this for the first time yesterday, someone mentioned it in a thread somewhere or other:

British Israelism - Wikipedia

I find it ridiculous for many reasons, I cannot believe people actually believed it

It sounds like a joke

Does anyone here believe the claims of British Israelism?

Well if you check out the facts..
You would find that there are only two tribes left over in Israel.
The tribe of Israel and the tribe of Judah.

The other 10 tribes went over what is called caucus mountains and settled in what is called the European countries.. which those 10 tribes were called caucasians..
And then those 10 tribes of Israel went over and settled in what is now called the United States..
And if you understood what the Bible speaks about that when God spoke to Abraham saying to Abraham that out of him would come great Nations and kingdoms..
As it doesn't take much to figure out who and where those 10 tribes are at in the world..
Even in the book of James...James being of Israel himself,.wrote saying..
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting"
James 1:1..
Those 12 tribes were scattered but two of them stayed...which are the tribe of Israel and the tribe of Judah.
The other 10 tribes went over the caucus mountains and settled in what is now called the European countries and British country.
Until the United States came on the scene.. Britain was the world greatest nation..and then back in the
1700 hundreds..the United States begun to rise as a great nation.
This is why Britain and Israel and the United States has such close ties with each other.. because those 3 nation's are
of those 10 tribes of Israel. Which make up the 12 tribes of Israel.

 

[exchemist]

Well if you check out the facts..
You would find that there are only two tribes left over in Israel.
The tribe of Israel and the tribe of Judah.

The other 10 tribes went over what is called caucus mountains and settled in what is called the European countries.. which those 10 tribes were called caucasians..
And then those 10 tribes of Israel went over and settled in what is now called the United States..
And if you understood what the Bible speaks about that when God spoke to Abraham saying to Abraham that out of him would come great Nations and kingdoms..
As it doesn't take much to figure out who and where those 10 tribes are at in the world..
Even in the book of James...James being of Israel himself,.wrote saying..
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting"
James 1:1..
Those 12 tribes were scattered but two of them stayed...which are the tribe of Israel and the tribe of Judah.
The other 10 tribes went over the caucus mountains and settled in what is now called the European countries and British country.
Until the United States came on the scene.. Britain was the world greatest nation..and then back in the
1700 hundreds..the United States begun to rise as a great nation.
This is why Britain and Israel and the United States has such close ties with each other.. because those 3 nation's are
of those 10 tribes of Israel. Which make up the 12 tribes of Israel.

What bizarre and ahistorical nonsense. The ancient Britons were Celts, and were followed by successive waves of people from N Europe (modern day Germany and Scandinavia). There is zero historical evidence of any semitic people arriving in numbers, until the Jews in the Middle ages, long after the Diaspora.

It's "Caucasus" mountains, by the way.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I guess I've been educated on one of the dumbest concepts I've heard in a long time.

I grew up watching everything Ripley's Believe it or Not that I could, and as I learned how to use the internet and search engines I began looking up weird and odd stuff. Did you knot there is a skin disorder that turns people's skin blue? There's a guy with, and he has a white beard, and the fist time I saw his picture I thought "holy ****! He kind of looks like Papa Smurf!"
And then there is Darwin Awards, featuring people who died doing incredibly stupid stuff.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I forget what it's called, but you have to look up the disorder where people fully and truly believe they are dead. A few of them end up in Africa and think because of the heat they went to Hell. That one is one you really have to look up, because it's very fascinating.

 

[Jedster]

No it is just the usual romantic and fanciful claims of proud people trying to make themselves exclusive:-

And did those feet, in ancient time, walk upon England's mountains green? [No]
And was the holy Lamb of God on England's pleasant pastures seen? [No]
And did the countenance divine shine forth upon our clouded hills? [No]
And was Jerusalem builded here, among these dark, satanic mills? [What are you smoking?]

All that stuff about King Arthur and the Holy Grail, the ridiculous idea that Joseph of Arimathea came to England, etc, is all is in similar vein.

All true. I live in Glastonbury where J of A is regularly channelled by an otherwise perfectly adorable human(He grow his own herbs)

ETA I just remembered that when I first came here, I was asked if I was a Jew.
Being a smart tuchus, I said , actually I am a Levite(which is true according to my father's lineage).
This JofA person almost began to revere me; It took a short time for him to give up on me.

 

[Harel13]

I forget what it's called, but you have to look up the disorder where people fully and truly believe they are dead. A few of them end up in Africa and think because of the heat they went to Hell. That one is one you really have to look up, because it's very fascinating.

Is this it?
Cotard delusion - Wikipedia

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

How dare you not show more appreciation for the peer reviewed scientific research by our fellow RF poster..!?!?!

The "d's" in all those words, make it all of a sudden "seem" so obvious, true, even though it previously wasn't... But no doubt Darwin felt the same way the day after his thesis on the theory of evolution!

Let's give this man, @WhyIsThatSo a hand everyone for all his painstaking work... Because it wasn't obvious until he made it obvious. Just like it wasn't true until he made it true.


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careful....your envy is showing.

You're confusing. Aren't you a Gnostic? The Jewish god is an imperfect Demiurge if not outright evil in traditional Gnostic thought but now you wish to claim the heritage and god of the Jews as your own?!

You misunderstand, I'm not trying to claim any "heritage" of anything. I couldn't care less about the "Jews" or their god as far as their "religion" goes. We gnostics know who the true God is , and it ain't the mean and hateful entity the "Jews" and orthodox Christians admire.

But this entity just happens to be the "god of this world" who has the power and authority to do as He pleases with His own "creation".
And He has . I'm simply acknowledging that power and authority to do as he says he will do.
Strange isn't it ? When a person like myself has more respect and appreciation for the "god of the Jews" ( and Christians )
than "His people" do ?

But we ( gnostics ) can do that, being on the outside , looking in.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Yes, Jesus and the apostles knew where they were because they were for the most part, in Israel. There were no “lost 10 tribes” as claimed by those of British Isrealism/Christian Identity adherents and this idea is simply a myth. The lost sheep Jesus referred to were the Jews and the people of the other tribes present in Israel who were “spiritually lost”.


What is British Israelism and is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

In 721 BCE.....that's "BCE" (before the common era). Or in other words "BEFORE CHRIST".
The Assyrian army captured the Israelite Capital at Samaria and carried away the people of the NORTHERN KINGDOM OF ISRAEL
into captivity.

Over 700 years BEFORE CHRIST.....so please, you can do better than that .

 

[McBell]

Could you explain to me why Christians think quoting their scripture to non-Christians means anything? Otherwise it just comes off as arrogance. If you don't care what other people think and will not debate with people, just shove your scripture down their throats, again I ask you: why are you here?

Seems to me that throwing out scriptures is a tactic of those who want to preach but cannot because of the Forum Rules.
Thus they compromise by tossing scripture, perhaps in the hopes that someone will ask about the relevance.
In this way, they are not preaching, they are explaining.