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Burning Scripture

Polymath257

Think & Care
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Aren't such book burnings protests designed to incite a reaction more than they are a "threat to others?"

If there is no reaction, what would come next? More book burnings? Or violence?

As I see it, it is the implied threat of violence towards those who author or read the texts that is the issue. And, yes, I do think that book burnings are often used as a threat. Not always. And, in cases where no such threat is intended, I see no issue with burning a book.

Germany in the 1930s is a good example of how public book burnings are used to, in essence, create mobs. Often, in the Reformation, a book burning was closely associated with a human burning.

In a slightly different direction, one of the (many) signals that the Taliban was a group that I oppose was when they destroyed the statues at Bamayan. The destruction of priceless, unique, art is one sure sign of an oppressive system. Books can be one of those forms of art.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
I understand the book burnings in Germany in 1933 led to act that were horrible beyond words, and I see your point if we use this as a precedent, but I'm not sure that book burnings in general lead to such heinousness. Or do they?
Let's assume not. Nor does hate speech in general lead to "heinousness" comparable to the Shoah. We are still dealing with efforts typically aimed at communicating hatred and intimidation. But this you dismiss as being not "really worth all the hullabaloo," preferring instead to take exception to "passive-aggressive comments in this thread." OK.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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In a slightly different direction, one of the (many) signals that the Taliban was a group that I oppose was when they destroyed the statues at Bamayan. The destruction of priceless, unique, art is one sure sign of an oppressive system. Books can be one of those forms of art.
This goes back to my statement in the OP. I can understand the problem if it's an original work that is irreplaceable.
 

Hermit Philosopher

Selflessly here for you
So many people take exception to burning religious texts, and I can understand this if it was the only remaining copy of the text and the knowledge would be forever lost if the book was burned.

But at the end of the day, these are books that were printed, often for money, by publishing companies and are simply copies. Unless you're an environmentalist protesting the waste of wood pulp and the cutting down of trees, is it really worth all the hullabaloo?

All of my scripture is on Kindle, so if you were to burn my iPad, I could just get on another device to read it.
It’s the context that matters. Nothing else.

And ironically: if I was burning religious scripture somewhere, where there’d really be grounds for doing so, I’d likely risk being killed by the state because of it.
Yet, if I am burning religious scripture where that scripture has no authority (and where I therefore am allowed to burn it in the first place); then, ought I not ask myself why I am burning it there at all?

As I see it, the current burning of religious scripture in the Nordics is carried out by two types of people: a) those who’ve had to flee their own countries because of regimes that have used those scriptures to rule nations they’ve taken on (as far as I’ve come across, there have literally been two such burnings) and b) those who despise people of the faith in question and who want them out of the region because of nationalism and racism, rooted in fears caused by active, local political propaganda.

When the latter category burn religious scripture in Scandinavia, it has nothing to do with freedom of speech because it is hate-speech - directed at an already suppressed minority in that region. It is assault on the weak and vulnerable, in broad daylight, without any whatsoever resistance.

And Europe has stood by and watched this sort of thing before. It did not go away by our silence; it escalated. It will do the same unless we react differently this time.


Humbly,
Hermit
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Let's assume not.
Where did I make an assumption? Or were you talking about you?
Because what you quoted was a question.

Nor does hate speech in general lead to "heinousness" comparable to the Shoah. We are still dealing with efforts typically aimed at communicating hatred and intimidation.
Unfortunately, people will hate and try to intimidate others, usually because they don't understand them. But hate and intimidation, as I suggested, are usually only exacerbated by a reaction to that hate or intimidation.

But this you dismiss as being not "really worth all the hullabaloo," preferring instead to take exception to "passive-aggressive comments in this thread." OK.
More passive-aggressiveness. And here I thought we were in the early stages of what could have been a productive discussion.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
For myself, I would think that many might have quite flakey beliefs if they responded with violence when others didn't accept them or even ridiculed such beliefs - and which is unfortunately built-in to many religions but perhaps Islam being a prime example. But such might appear to be pure arrogance too on their part - as to expecting respect. With the religious texts often contributing to such things - well, what a surprise! o_O
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Where did I make an assumption? Or were you talking about you?
Because what you quoted was a question.
You asked:
I understand the book burnings in Germany in 1933 led to act that were horrible beyond words, and I see your point if we use this as a precedent, but I'm not sure that book burnings in general lead to such heinousness. Or do they?​
I responded:
Let's assume not.​
In other words:
Let us assume that they do not "in general lead to such heinousness."​
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
You asked:
I understand the book burnings in Germany in 1933 led to act that were horrible beyond words, and I see your point if we use this as a precedent, but I'm not sure that book burnings in general lead to such heinousness. Or do they?​
I responded:
Let's assume not.​
In other words:
Let us assume that they do not "in general lead to such heinousness."​
Thank you for clarifying.
 
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