"...but intelligent people believe in God" Analysis, Discussion, and Debate

[CogentPhilosopher]

Its a thought experiment, so its supposed to create thinking, yet it not supposed to create contrary thinking. That would be a lousy philosophical argument even in school.

Can you fix your grammar please?

I'm having a hard time understanding what you are trying to assert.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

On my screen there is no edit time-stamp displayed.

I know net slang. You again assumed I did not.

Did you find that post where I asked for "empirical evidence"?

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Did you find that post where I asked for "empirical evidence"?

Sorry missed that message.

You rejected any form of rational evidence that I or the video tried to use despite using rational rather than empirical arguments.

How about you tell me what I need to provide instead of moving the goal posts?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Sorry missed that message.

You rejected any form of rational evidence that I or the video tried to use despite using rational rather than empirical arguments.

How about you tell me what I need to provide instead of moving the goal posts?

"You rejected any form of rational evidence that I or the video tried to use despite using rational rather than empirical arguments."

Reject? I didn't reject , but please feel free too show me the post where I made this supposed rejection.

 

[bobhikes]

Can you fix your grammar please?

I'm having a hard time understanding what you are trying to assert.

Sure there are a couple of apostrophes missing and one is actually missing the s and apostrophe.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Personally, @CogentPhilosopher I think you are talking to yourself.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

"You rejected any form of rational evidence that I or the video tried to use despite using rational rather than empirical arguments."

Reject? I didn't reject , but please feel free too show me the post where I made this supposed rejection.

Address the whole post and I will.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Personally, @CogentPhilosopher I think you are talking to yourself.

And I think you are either a troll or a pure empiricist.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Its a thought experiment, so its supposed to create thinking, yet it not supposed to create contrary thinking.

Explain what you mean by this please?

What the heck is "contrary thinking"?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Address the whole post and I will.

In other-words you can't find an actual post where I rejected the OP.

 

[wizanda]

He compared the thought experiment to 3 religions not all of theology.

Though it showed the 3 symbols for only Abrahamic religions, the concepts discussed fell outside into all theology.

As for it being a thought experiment; thought you said you understood to spot the fallacies in a subject first...

It was a blatant antitheist propaganda video, with the 'suggestion' in the voice not to be so dumb as the 'religious claimers'.

Like the concepts of salvation, god, life after death, NDEs, reincarnation and the soul?

Yeah all things discussed by theologians throughout history.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Sure there are a couple of apostrophes missing and one is actually missing the s and apostrophe.

Don't worry about it, his grammar is not that great either.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

In other-words you can't find an actual post where I rejected the OP.

Don't try that bull**** with me.


Here have it right now.

That is a long way to say "no".

Now address the rest of the post and don't instead try to divert to something else like I suspect you want to.

 

[Nakosis]

I think you missed the point.

The point was to show how an intelligent person can believe in a ridiculous claim in certain circumstances and then open you to question why most religions use these circumstances.

Religious use these techniques because they work. Multi-level marketing uses similar techniques, I suspect politics too.

To forward your goals, you use what works. Where they stop working, you change your techniques to something that does. I think a lot of churches are in the process of changing their techniques.

As you become aware of how these techniques used to manipulate thinking, choices they loose their effectiveness.

Also, I'm not sure that without religion, no religion would be created. Religions are created all the time. New ones and re-hashed old ones given new life.

It also assumes there is some truth to be found that would be found. Even if true it's likely beyond the capability of most to find. In the mean time most people need something to believe in. If you don't give it to them, they'll create it for themselves.

The mind is a funny thing. If you hear some "truth" repeated over and over, consciously you may reject it but sub-consciously it can begin to affect your thinking to the point where what seem ridicules before starts to seem more reasonable. Almost like it's being programmed in and covertly becomes your own thoughts.

Folks may think they're intelligent and skeptic but that's no guarantee they are immune from this kind of subconscious influence.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

It was a blatant Anti-theist propaganda video, with the 'suggestion' in the voice not to be so dumb as the 'religious claimers'.

So are you a troll, unable to understand the video, or did you not watch the video?

The video is about how INTELLIGENT people can believe in a god.

 

[Nakosis]

Sometimes I think people are into "skepticism" just for the fashion. I mean shouldn't a real skeptic be skeptical about everything and not just religion?

Yes, absolutely.

 

[CogentPhilosopher]

Religious use these techniques because they work. Multi-level marketing uses similar techniques, I suspect politics too.

To forward your goals, you use what works. Where they stop working, you change your techniques to something that does. I think a lot of churches are in the process of changing their techniques.

As you become aware of how these techniques used to manipulate thinking, choices they loose their effectiveness.

Also, I'm not sure that without religion, no religion would be created. Religions are created all the time. New ones and re-hashed old ones given new life.

It also assumes there is some truth to be found that would be found. Even if true it's likely beyond the capability of most to find. In the mean time most people need something to believe in. If you don't give it to them, they'll create it for themselves.

The mind is a funny thing. If you here some "truth" repeated over and over, consciously you may reject it but sub-conscious it can begin to affect your thinking to the point where what seem ridicules before starts to seem more reasonable. Almost like it's being programmed in and covertly becomes your own thoughts.

Folks may think they're intelligent and skeptic but that's no guarantee they are immune from this kind of subconscious influence.

No one said that they where.

 

[bobhikes]

Explain what you mean by this please?

What the heck is "contrary thinking"?

con·trar·y
ADJECTIVE

1. opposite in nature, direction, or meaning:
   "he ignored contrary advice and agreed on the deal"
   synonyms: opposite · opposing · opposed · contradictory · clashing · conflicting ·
   perverse · awkward · difficult · uncooperative · unhelpful · obstructive ·
   [more]

Thinking

NOUN

1. the process of using one's mind to consider or reason about something:
   "they have done some thinking about welfare reform"

That's how I would define it as well. Meant as opposing thoughts to what the video was trying to generate.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Don't try that bull**** with me.


Here have it right now.



Now address the rest of the post and don't instead try to divert to something else like I suspect you want to.

You don't read so well do you.

I said,

Is this based on anything other than DarkMatter's personal opinion?

To which you replied,

Then you know it's a rational argument using thought experiments not an empirical one.

Then I replied,

That is a long way to say "no".

That is not a rejection. Learn how to read would you.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

So are you a troll, unable to understand the video, or did you not watch the video?

The video is about how INTELLIGENT people can believe in a god.

Ah I see now, you are the troll who cried troll.