But why Muhammad ???

[FearGod]

The message that Allah gave to the Prophet (pbuh) was only the Koran, correct ?

Does Allah approve of the sunnah and Hadith.

God approved mohammed as the messenger, the message is one thing and the action is one other thing.
For example you follow the engineering professor who teaches you the book of engineering, the instructor
will help you to understand the book and get benefit of it in practice.

 

[paarsurrey]

The message that Allah gave to the Prophet (pbuh) was only the Koran, correct ?
Does Allah approve of the sunnah and Hadith.

Please treat Sunnah and Hadith as different sources of guidance, not the same thing. Right?
Regards

 

[savethedreams]

God approved mohammed as the messenger, the message is one thing and the action is one other thing.
For example you follow the engineering professor who teaches you the book of engineering, the instructor
will help you to understand the book and get benefit of it in practice.

Please treat Sunnah and Hadith as different sources of guidance, not the same thing. Right?
Regards

So why is it , that most Islam scholars of many Muslims treat the Hadith and Sunnah like its the Quran? Some speaks of it directly and not Quran.

Can one be Muslim and ignore the Sunnah & Hadith. I have nothing against those books or the life of Muhammed but I just respect him as the messenger who brought the Koran to us.

As Muslim I will do salah , I will try to do 5 pillars. I will be the best person I can inside (buddhism) and out (humanist) however I'm unsure if many those of this faith would call me Islam. ?

 

[Smart_Guy]

The message that Allah gave to the Prophet (pbuh) was only the Koran, correct ?

Does Allah approve of the sunnah and Hadith.

Yes, that's correct. That's why I mentioned the verse in my first post, here:

Hello there brother.

God tells us in Quran 59:7 this:
"Take what the Messenger assigns to you, and refrain from what he withholds from you"

So part of taking the message of God, is to consider Muhammad.

This does not specifically say to take sunnah and Hadeeth, but it does say to follow Muhammad. That of course has to not conflict with the Quran. The least we can understand from this verse regarding sunnah an Hadeeth is that we cannot neglect them as concepts completely since both relate to what Muhammad assigns to and withholds from us. Let's just forget about those two names, sunnah and Hadeeth, and just say "what Muhammad did and said to explain Islam to us". They are just names after all.

But generally speaking, I don't see there is need to go back to them unless some clarifications are needed since the Quran does tell us to perform prayer and hajj, for example, but did not clearly explain the nature and details of doing it. The best way to know how to do it is to see how Muhammad did and said about them since he is believed to be the most knowledgeable about Islam.

 

[DawudTalut]

......Can one be Muslim and ignore the Sunnah & Hadith. I have nothing against those books or the life of Muhammed but I just respect him as the messenger who brought the Koran to us.....

Peace be on you.

1- Holy Quran is the most certain and free of doubt.

2- Sunnah is the continous pactice of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) on the Holy Quran.

3- Hadith-s (Ahadith) are the sayings of Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) collected latter. Hadith help explain things. If it contradicts, try to explain in the light of Quran with Taqwa / Piousness, if not possible, leave it. If apparently Hadith is weak but is proven by the action of Allah, it is surely true.

More: Authenticity of Hadith
https://www.alislam.org/library/books/Mohammad-the-kindred-to-humanity.pdf

 

[mojtaba]

One thing I found during my study of Islam that doesn't sit right with me is; the focus on being like the prophet Mohammed , including sunnah and Hadith , more than the verbatim word of the Koran. I feel as if many Muslims are worshiping the prophet Muhammed.

Hello. What I say to you are my believes. I hope it helps you.

first I say that the Holy Qur'an is the most important holy book in Islam and indeed It is the base and foundation. We should not act in a way that become one of the examples of this verse: [25:30]And the Apostle will say, ‘O my Lord! Indeed my people consigned this Quran to oblivion.’

However, the following verse of Holy Qur'an is the answer of your question:

4:59
O you who have faith! Obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those vested with authority among you. And if you dispute concerning anything, refer it to Allah and the Apostle, if you have faith in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more favourable in outcome.

But who are those vested with authority?

They are Imam Ali and his descendants(a.s.), i.e. 12 infallible Imams.( you can see: http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/mutiwatir-and-authentic-hadith-of-ghadir.180475/ and http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/the-twelve-imams.177328/ )

What is being a Muslim, solely submitting to Allah or following Muhammed w/ my submission?

4:80
Whoever obeys the Apostle certainly obeys Allah; and as for those who turn their backs [on you]; We have not sent you to keep watch over them.

I am against any human worship or human devotion,which lead me away from Christianity but it seems how Christians look at Paul or Jesus is how Muslims look at Muhammed. It deeply disturbs me.

We follow Prophet Muhammad and 12 infallible Imams and do not worship them. Following is different from worshiping.

Indeed, only Allah the Almighty is who must be followed. However, Allah(SWT) has said us that we must follow Qur'anic orders, Prophet Muhammad and 12 infallible Imams[4:59]. So, because we follow Allah, then we follow Qur'anic orders, His Apostle and 12 infallible Imams.

Indeed, we follow Them only because we follow Allah and submit to Him and His orders[4:80].

 

[Gharib]

Allah tells us that Muhammed is the best of us, he is an example for us to follow and told to obey him.

The best of all creation is Muhammed. Allah loves those who love Muhammed for the sake of Allah. We imitate him because all his actions and words were for the pleasure of Allah. So if we do the same it will be pleasing to Allah.

 

[TashaN]

So why is it , that most Islam scholars of many Muslims treat the Hadith and Sunnah like its the Quran? Some speaks of it directly and not Quran.

Can one be Muslim and ignore the Sunnah & Hadith. I have nothing against those books or the life of Muhammed but I just respect him as the messenger who brought the Koran to us.

As Muslim I will do salah , I will try to do 5 pillars. I will be the best person I can inside (buddhism) and out (humanist) however I'm unsure if many those of this faith would call me Islam. ?

Hadith is also inspired by God, but it's using Mohamed's word, not literal word of God like the Quran. We can't be Muslims if we don't believe what the Prophet says. That's because in the Quran itself God tells us to follow Prophet Mohamed and listen to whatever he asks us to do.

 

[David1967]

Why? Should I post this somewhere else ? I would love Muslim/ Islam response.

What better place to ask a question about Islam than in the Islam directory? I mean if I want to know something about Islam I am going to ask a Muslim not a Methodist.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Hadith is also inspired by God, but it's using Mohamed's word, not literal word of God like the Quran. We can't be Muslims if we don't believe what the Prophet says. That's because in the Quran itself God tells us to follow Prophet Mohamed and listen to whatever he asks us to do.

Yes the very basis of Islam, the shahadath is not complete without our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

I do however find it confusing that the OP has accepted Islam yet does not want to follow the messenger of Islam? I'm a bit lost by that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hello,
You are right, you don't have to follow any human being and follow only God's instructions in the Quran, and automatically you will find yourself following Mohammed PBUH. He is the embodiment of the Quran. once Aesha was asked about the character of Mohammed, she said "His character was the Quran"

Can I ask. "His character was the Quran" reminds me of christians saying "Jesus is the Word (Scripture) of God". Although christians most definitely worship a human being, isnt the manner in which Muhammad is seen considered more than reverence? Since his character was the Quran, that would be borderline worship? Give reverence to Muhammad is to give reverence to Allah because we (Muslims) are following Muhammad's teachings; as a direct result, we are worshiping Allah's??

 

[Smart_Guy]

Can I ask. "His character was the Quran" reminds me of christians saying "Jesus is the Word (Scripture) of God". Although christians most definitely worship a human being, isnt the manner in which Muhammad is seen considered more than reverence? Since his character was the Quran, that would be borderline worship? Give reverence to Muhammad is to give reverence to Allah because we (Muslims) are following Muhammad's teachings; as a direct result, we are worshiping Allah's??

I think the translation of the Arabic saying is not "his character" but "his moral". When mother Aisha was asked about it, it was probably a curiosity to know how he behaved in real life situations so the best answer was that of the Quran so on can read the it to know. Of course it is the Quran as a whole comprehensive unit not to take some parts over the others disconnecting them with the others. I don't think it was related to whom to worship, but in how to worship.

That's my understanding of it

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think the translation of the Arabic saying is not "his character" but "his moral". When mother Aisha was asked about it, it was probably a curiosity to know how he behaved in real life situations so the best answer was that of the Quran so on can read the it to know. Of course it is the Quran as a whole comprehensive unit not to take some parts over the others disconnecting them with the others. I don't think it was related to whom to worship, but in how to worship.

That's my understanding of it

More like asking Muhammad his morals in how he worship in order to best understand the Quran?

 

[Smart_Guy]

More like asking Muhammad his morals in how he worship in order to best understand the Quran?

It was simply about his ethics in general. The Quran, for example, says not to use complaining verbal expressions against the parents and not to show unwillingness or aversion against them, so that was one of the morals Muhammad followed and believed in. The context actually was that after the death of Muhammad, a man asked Aisha about how Muhammad was. It was not about something as deep as how to worship, but generally about his way of life, not specifically about worshiping. It is natural for people to sometimes want to be like those they look up to. It was the other way around; an advice to read the Quran to know how Muhammad lived his life in general.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Can I ask. "His character was the Quran" reminds me of christians saying "Jesus is the Word (Scripture) of God". Although christians most definitely worship a human being, isnt the manner in which Muhammad is seen considered more than reverence? Since his character was the Quran, that would be borderline worship? Give reverence to Muhammad is to give reverence to Allah because we (Muslims) are following Muhammad's teachings; as a direct result, we are worshiping Allah's??

That is in no way worshiping Muhammad (PBUH), if one is to say his character is like that of the Quran or his is the human embodiment of the Quran because that related to his character, his morality and his piety. We all need that shining example to follow, one who explains the Quran to us and then shows how to put into practice. We revere and love our final prophet, as we do all other prophets (not to the same extent of course) and many other people who believe to be of good character throughout our lives. That's not worhip. Worship is to bow down to or to pray to, no Muslim does that. It's a very easy distinction.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is in no way worshiping Muhammad (PBUH), if one is to say his character is like that of the Quran or his is the human embodiment of the Quran because that related to his character, his morality and his piety. We all need that shining example to follow, one who explains the Quran to us and then shows how to put into practice. We revere and love our final prophet, as we do all other prophets (not to the same extent of course) and many other people who believe to be of good character throughout our lives. That's not worhip. Worship is to bow down to or to pray to, no Muslim does that. It's a very easy distinction.

I know the distinction. I used to be Catholic. No Catholic says the Saints are the embodiedment of God. Thats only reserved for Jesus/Eucharist.

If whoever replied said they revered Muhammad. Then I understand. They said he is the emboidedment of the Quran. Thats like a Catholic saying bread/one is the emboidedment or Christ. Aka there is no distinction between the two.

If its like Catholics and the saints, I understand. If not, Im at complete lost to what Muslims define as reverence compared to Catholics and the saints.