By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.

[the_pranjal]

hello' i think through silience the truth of nature can be known and experiened. We have cultivated our mind as we have grown older. It will only distracts us from the ultimate truth by creating question in different ways. Silience can only be achieved if we became indifferent to mind...just be a silent watcher,how the mind wanders..when their is no relationship with mind,the mind is dropped and the complete inner silience is acheived..

 

[SadhSangat]

There used to be a contest in our Sikh Camps to learn the most lines from JapJi sahib. We trated it like such and now i understand why they wanted us to learn it. The JapJi sahib is a guide, path, and the rightous journey to Waheguru.
quote=GURSIKH;2059351]Hi Onkaara ji ,

Thoughts are Divine will even no thoughts are Divine Will

Japji Sahib Pauri 33

ਆਖਣਿ ਜੋਰੁ ਚੁਪੈ ਨਹ ਜੋਰੁ ॥
No power to speak, no power to keep silent.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਮੰਗਣਿ ਦੇਣਿ ਨ ਜੋਰੁ ॥
No power to beg, no power to give.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਜੀਵਣਿ ਮਰਣਿ ਨਹ ਜੋਰੁ ॥
No power to live, no power to die.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਰਾਜਿ ਮਾਲਿ ਮਨਿ ਸੋਰੁ ॥
No power to rule, with wealth and occult mental powers.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਸੁਰਤੀ ਗਿਆਨਿ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥
No power to gain intuitive understanding, spiritual wisdom and meditation.

ਜੋਰੁ ਨ ਜੁਗਤੀ ਛੁਟੈ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥
No power to find the way to escape from the world.

ਜਿਸੁ ਹਥਿ ਜੋਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਸੋਇ ॥
He alone has the Power in His Hands. He watches over all.

ਨਾਨਕ ਉਤਮੁ ਨੀਚੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥੩੩॥
O Nanak, no one is high or low. ||33||

Wahe Guru ji ki Fateh[/quote]

This is the full text of this part and it is simple when read.

You can not achieve Waheguru by simply thinking about Him
Meditating about Him
Fasting for Him
Performing rituals and tricks for Him
You ask how can you achieve Him
Follow His word it is law

NOTE: I only use him and his in context.


Phul Chuck hoi maf karna
WJKK WJKF

 

[Onkara]

Very true SadhSangat
I was amazed the first time I listened to the Japji Sahib, I felt I had been given all the answers in one go

 

[Onkara]

may i ask from which translation it is ? JI

Hi Gursikh Ji
It is from a book "Sikh Prayers" by Surindar Singh Kholi.

The book is recommendable, it explains what each word means for 5 prayers. :shout

 

[chinu]

By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within. - SGGS


Even the thoughts are divine will? Would you agree or not, and why?

Becauce:
"Ram naam ki kunji, santan hath rakhi Kunji"
The key of Ram Naam(divine sound) is in the hands of "Saints.

"Kou jis vakaar lain tu aya, ram naam santan ghar pya"
When you come for Ram Naam (divine sound), you will find it with "Saints"

"Nanak naam jahaj hai cahre so utro paar hai"
O nanak! whoever sits on the flight of Naam(divine sound), goes above the illusion

"Naam khumari nanaka, chari rahe din raat"
O nanak! the pleasure of Naam(divine sound) is showering me day & night

_/\_Chinu.