By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[Dan From Smithville]

No, I think when man’s opinions, interpretations of the supposed facts they come up with that contradict God’s account and record I am going to believe Him. But you calling God a liar is slander and bearing false witness.

Show me that it is God's account. It was written by men. A literalist interpretation is a recent view. Show me that it is the only way.

It is odd that you say that on a computer to a person you cannot see that is probably hundreds of miles from you while disavowing what we have learned as meaningless.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Science experiments isn’t where the rubber meets the road brother.

Didn't say it was. It was the recognition that you have to provide the argument with evidence and we both no that no one has ever done that for the claims you are making.

Where the rubber meets the road is am I willing to say to God, I give you my life do with me whatever you want, everything is yours. And do what He says no matter what according to the Word of God.

This is just more backpedaling to distance yourself from the destination you have been careening towards.

 

[Ebionite]

Your posts on the role of Judges and the nature and source of Common Law are confusing.

You could always ask for clarification.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Didn't say it was. It was the recognition that you have to provide the argument with evidence and we both no that no one has ever done that for the claims you are making.

No I don’t, I need none of that to know the Bible is the Word of God and true. You and others may require that.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No I don’t, I need none of that to know the Bible is the Word of God and true. You and others may require that.

You may not personally, but to support the claims you have and show others that they have merit, you certainly do.

Who knows, you might sway me. But we'll never know, because you keep looking for any excuse not to.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This is just more backpedaling to distance yourself from the destination you have been careening towards.

You sure don’t seem to be a believer at all if you don’t think this is not where the rubber meets the road, because it is, the rest is just lip service and maybe you’re avoiding this, trying to get out of a total commitment to the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[shunyadragon]

You could always ask for clarification.

I actually did citing sources clarifying the role of Judges and the nature and history of Common LAw and no response on your part.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You may not personally, but to support the claims you have and show others that they have merit, you certainly do.

Who knows, you might sway me. But we'll never know, because you keep looking for any excuse not to.

If you’re a Christian you should already possess that, the Holy Spirit has been given to believers a a guarantee of our inheritance, He is the proof.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No I don’t, I need none of that to know the Bible is the Word of God and true. You and others may require that.

Honestly, I don't doubt that you believe and I'm overjoyed in your faith and relationship with God, but you seem to have decided that you get to lay out the rules on the beliefs and interpretations of others and I have no reason to consider that you are in such a role.

You have to admit that your efforts to avoid this cast a lot of doubt on the veracity of your claims.

 

[shunyadragon]

No I don’t, I need none of that to know the Bible is the Word of God and true. You and others may require that.

OK, this is what you believe, but you must realize that the books of the Bible lack provenance of original source and authorship and they lack independent outside sources that confirm there validity.

For example the Pentateuch was compiled after 600 BCE with no known Text nor the existence of the Hebrew language before this date. The only thing we have before this is other cultures texts in Canaanite, Ugarat, Babylonian, and Sumarian texts that the myths of the Pentateuch evolved from.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

If you’re a Christian you should already possess that, the Holy Spirit has been given to believers a a guarantee of our inheritance, He is the proof.

I don't know that you got your bonefides from the Holy Spirit. It is only you that are posting and if the Holy Spirit is guiding you as you claim, I'm not seeing any evidence of it given what and how you are presenting. It would seem that I'm the one that has the guidance here given how what I have said has elicited such twists and turns and thrashing about.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

OK, tis is what you believe, but you must realize that the books of the Bible lack provenance of original source and authorship and they lack independent outside sources that confirm their validity.

You are another believer in God that isn't a "true" believer, because you believe differently than the way that is being mandated by some random poster on an internet forum.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I don't know that you got your bonefides from the Holy Spirit. It is only you that are posting and if the Holy Spirit is guiding you as you claim, I'm not seeing any evidence of it given what and how you are presenting. It would seem that I'm the one that has the guidance here given how what I have said has elicited such twists and turns and thrashing about.

You’re denying that Genesis is even the Word of God and taking man’s word over God’s Word, how is that evidence you have the Holy Spirit? It’s not and shows you don’t believe God on it, probably other things as well. Maybe get some white out for your Bible.

 

[ElishaElijah]

OK, this is what you believe, but you must realize that the books of the Bible lack provenance of original source and authorship and they lack independent outside sources that confirm there validity.

For example the Pentateuch was compiled after 600 BCE with no known Text nor the existence of the Hebrew language before this date. The only thing we have before this is other cultures texts in Canaanite, Ugarat, Babylonian, and Sumarian texts that the myths of the Pentateuch evolved from.

There are many original manuscripts that back up the Bible, but hey you can believe or not believe. That’s why there are believers and unbelievers.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

You’re denying that Genesis is even the Word of God and taking man’s word over God’s Word, how is that evidence you have the Holy Spirit? It’s not and shows you don’t believe God on it, probably other things as well. Maybe get some white out for your Bible.

You are denying that you can show that it is dictation from God and taking the words of man as your measure to do that.

That I have run circles around you is the evidence. Look at how often you have misrepresented what I said or tried to make a straw man to beat on instead of facing my words head on and responding directly to what I have actually said. I haven't had to do that.

You have made claims you refuse to support. What more evidence is necessary to support the conditions here.

I do believe God on it. You reject it and use some silly excuse that man cannot learn, while claiming as a man that you have learned. Do you even see the contradictions that you bandy about?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

There are many original manuscripts that back up the Bible, but hey you can believe or not believe. That’s why there are believers and unbelievers.

There are original manuscripts of the Bible?

What are these that you are claiming? Name them and demonstrate that they are what you claim.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You are another believer in God that isn't a "true" believer, because you believe differently than the way that is being mandated by some random poster on an internet forum.

The Bible is what God has mandated as His Word if you trust Him you are a believer if you don’t you are an unbeliever. Here is the definition of faith, if you don’t accept this then you can’t consider yourself a believer and it’s impossible for you to please God:
”Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.“
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11‬:‭1‬-‭3‬, ‭6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[ElishaElijah]

You are denying that you can show that it is dictation from God and taking the words of man as your measure to do that.

Actually you’re taking man’s word over the Word of God…

”and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.“
‭‭II Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Actually you’re taking man’s word over the Word of God…

No. I'm taking God's Word over yours. I just use a larger volume of His Work than you know of or understand.

If I just blindly followed you, then yes, I would be taking mans' word over God's.

”and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.“
‭‭II Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭

If you keep going, you will have reproduced the Bible in this one thread. I'm not sure that is extraordinary, but it is telling.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That I have run circles around you is the evidence. Look at how often you have misrepresented what I said or tried to make a straw man to beat on instead of facing my words head on and responding directly to what I have actually said. I haven't had to do that.

Let’s see how well you judge yourself on misrepresentation,lol

There are many original manuscripts that back up the Bible, but hey you can believe or not believe. That’s why there are believers and unbelievers.

There are original manuscripts of the Bible?

What are these that you are claiming? Name them and demonstrate that they are what you claim.