By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[nPeace]

What do you mean by illustrations? As far as I know, the only requirement to be a Christian is to follow Jesus.

That is true.
What does it mean to follow Christ?
I understanding it means to follow Christ's example and teachings.
Is that your understanding as well?

When Jesus said... “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.” (Luke 24:44)
(Luke 24:45) Then he opened up their minds fully to grasp the meaning of the Scriptures,

Do you consider these scriptures to have been important to Jesus, and did Jesus consider them important to his followers?

Learning what the Bible says is not a requirement.

Is that Jesus' teaching?
Do you get that impression from Jesus words?
(Matthew 22:29) . . .You are mistaken, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. . .
(Matthew 26:54) . . .how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must take place this way?. . .
(Mark 14:49) . . .this is to fulfill the Scriptures. . .
(Luke 24:27) . . .starting with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures. . .
(John 5:39) . . .these [the scriptures] are the very ones that bear witness about me. . .
(John 7:15, 16) 15 And the Jews were astonished, saying: “How does this man have such a knowledge of the Scriptures when he has not studied at the schools?” 16 Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him who sent me.

That's not the impression one gets from what Jesus said.

I don't know anywhere in scripture it makes that a condition of being a Christian. Do you?

How about those above?

If so, I'm sure a lot of Christians would be in a lot of trouble, considering how little they actually know what it says.

That's what I have been trying to explain to you before.
They would not be Christians, in that case. They might call themselves that, or be viewed that way by the world, since everyone is a Christian today, as long as they "go to church", or self profess.
That's not Christianity, according to your definition.

Some do recognize that Christianity involved two basic things - following Christ's example and teachings.
Christianity, less commonly referred to as Christianism, is an Abrahamic monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[nPeace]

I'm thinking that doesn't have anything to do with your stating that being a Christian means you have to study the Bible. What I think Jesus meant by that is that spiritual fulfillment comes from God.

Many people, evidently, think this way.
Where do you recommend we get accurate knowledge of God?
That's certainly important, and a requirement from Jesus.
(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

His followers followed Jesus lead, in teaching this as well.
(Acts 17:2, 3) . . .according to Paul’s custom he went inside to them, and for three sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving by references . . .
(Acts 17:11) . . .they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

They certainly felt studying the Bible was important.
In fact, both Peter and Paul made reference to scripture as being God breathed, and of a prime importance.
(2 Timothy 3:16, 17) 16 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
(2 Peter 1:21) For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.

How do you suppose one gets spiritual fulfilment without the scriptures?

 

[nPeace]

So then, the only requirement to being a Christian is to follow Jesus. Not to read or know the Bible. Correct?

Jesus knew and referenced the scriptures. His followers followed him in that regard. Isn't that one way we follow Christ?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Jesus knew and referenced the scriptures. His followers followed him in that regard. Isn't that one way we follow Christ?

Not my wife. She does it in another way.

 

[nPeace]

Not my wife. She does it in another way.

What's your wife's response to Jesus' question?
(Luke 6:46) . . .Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What's your wife's response to Jesus' question?
(Luke 6:46) . . .Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?

She has never read the Bible in any meaningful sense. She is a culture Christian. She believe in Jesus and love your neighbor and Heaven. And that you get there if you believe in this manner.

 

[3rdAngel]

LOL1 If you want to discuss it do it right. Otherwise your own words convict you. Yo cannot say "I really did not mean that" When it was quite clear what you were asked.

Well that is not true. You are deflecting your own experience. Evidence has already been provided that proves this in post # 208 linked that you refused to respond to and in post # 510 linked. No wiggle room. You lose.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well that is not true. You are deflecting again what you do. Evidence has already been provided that proves this in post # 208 linked that you refused to respond to and above in post # 510 linked. No wiggle room. You lose.

Yeah, it is an objective fact, that he loses so badly, that we can observe that using a objective scientific lose-meter. That is how much that is a fact.
And when I point that out, I lose. It means that I am not even a human anymore or what ever, right?

No, it means that you are doing something subjective and I am doing it differently. I accept you think/feel different., but I don't accept you win and I lose. Or so in reverse. All it means, is that we think/feel differently.

 

[nPeace]

She has never read the Bible in any meaningful sense. She is a culture Christian. She believe in Jesus and love your neighbor and Heaven. And that you get there if you believe in this manner.

I see. In other words, your wife decides how God should be worshipped.
She doesn't need to see how Jesus the prophets, and Jesus' disciples outlined it.
Is that correct?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I see. In other words, your wife decides how God should be worshipped.
She doesn't need to see how Jesus the prophets, and Jesus' disciples outlined it.
Is that correct?

Yes for her.

 

[nPeace]

Yes for her.

I don't know what your views are concerning God, the Bible, and Christianity, but what do you think really defines a Christian.
I remember having a conversation with you along these llines, but not sure what happened to that.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't know what your views are concerning God, the Bible, and Christianity, but what do you think really defines a Christian.
I remember having a conversation with you along these llines, but not sure what happened to that.

Short. Believes in Jesus and a version of his words.

 

[3rdAngel]

Yeah, it is an objective fact, that he loses so badly, that we can observe that using a objective scientific lose-meter. That is how much that is a fact.
And when I point that out, I lose. It means that I am not even a human anymore or what ever, right?

No, it means that you are doing something subjective and I am doing it differently. I accept you think/feel different., but I don't accept you win and I lose. Or so in reverse. All it means, is that we think/feel differently.

No not really. Its objective when you provide evidence and if you follow the conversation of what is being said.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No not really. Its objective when you provide evidence and if you follow the conversation of what is being said.

Yeah, one of you are subjective. Then the question is if the other one is also subjective. Because it is a fact that one of you are subjective, or you are both in effect contradictorily objective. ,

 

[3rdAngel]

Yeah, one of you are subjective. Then the question is if the other one is also subjective. Because it is a fact that one of you are subjective, or you are both in effect contradictorily objective. ,

Evidence already provided. See post # 208 linked and post # 510 linked. You are probably better off not commenting on things you have not been following.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yea nope sorry you are wrong. Evidence already provided. See post # 208 linked and post # 510 linked. You are probably better off not commenting on things you no nothing about

Well, objective evidence that I am wrong as an objective property of me. Do that and I will listen to you.

 

[nPeace]

Short. Believes in Jesus and a version of his words.

Just believe?
What about Matthew 7:21-27, and James 1:22?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Just believe?
What about Matthew 7:21-27, and James 1:22?

She has never read the Bible. She was taught to be a Christian by her grandmother in an oral tradition. She is an oral folk version of being Christian.

 

[3rdAngel]

Well, objective evidence that I am wrong as an objective property of me. Do that and I will listen to you.

Your post does not really make any sense to what I am talking about with you.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Your post does not really make any sense to what I am talking about with you.

But you know that I am wrong, right?!!! Then give the evidence for that and I will learn from that.