California AB 957 authorizes courts to take transgender kids away from parents.

[fantome profane]

it is the job of the people making these claims to provide extraordinarily good evidence

No, it is not anybody's job to convince you of anything. Why do you think anyone needs to justify their person themselves to you before getting the medical care they need for themselves or for their children?

 

[icehorse]

No, it is not anybody's job to convince you of anything. Why do you think anyone needs to justify their person themselves to you before getting the medical care they need for themselves or for their children?

when you can me ask a question without using a fallacy, let me know.

 

[fantome profane]

when you can me ask a question without using a fallacy, let me know.

You are just unwilling to face the reality that some things are just none of your business.

I realize a lot of people on this board think it is a lot of fun to debate other peoples personal medical situations, but no one needs to explain anything to you just for your entertainment.

 

[Colt]

The California legislature has passed AB 957 and sent it to the Governor. It revises the state's Family Code to authorize courts to remove children from the custody of their parents for failure to affirm the child's "gender identity".

California AB957 | 2023-2024 | Regular Session

This is a good example of Leftist Fascism! Transgenderism is a mental and spiritual sickness, the latest fad which seeks to further undermine a healthy society! IMOP

 

[SomeRandom]

My own exverience of the medical business has been up and down. Hospitals seem pretty ethical and in service to the best care. It's private doctors that seem to be more likely to push a profit motive. When I was hit by a car while cycling maybe ten years ago I had to go to a doctor to access my injuries and treatment. I had wrist sprains to deal with, but no severe pain unless I tried to lift something. The doctor said he was going to prescribe oxy for me. I declined because the pain wasn't that bad, plus I don't like taking drugs. He insisted, and essentially thrust the prescription in my hand in case I wanted the drugs. This was before the big lawsuits, but there was already news about the addictive nature of opiates. I tore the paper up as I walked to my car. It all smelled fishy to me.

The USA healthcare system is split between nonprofit and profit, and it is rotten. Democrats still advocate for more access for those who ddon't have insurance.

Interesting

There is a similar sentiment held by folks here over the amount of tests ordered. Seemingly something used to justify the costs. In both systems, but I hear it more often in the private sector, if I’m honest.
See, Australia’s system is actually rather complicated as we do have a private healthcare industry that works in tandem with the Universal one (which is called Medicare here.)
The private system sometimes covers medical issues not always readily covered by Medicare, usually the very rare sort. And the private system allows people to “jump the queue” as it were, if they have non life threatening medical issues. We do have to have priorities.
That said, as far as I know, even those without private health insurance can see whatever private practitioners they want to, as here you can freely choose your GP (though they are legally required to refer folks to Specialists, if the need arises.) It just costs them a fee to visit them. (Doctors here can actually charge whatever they want. But government incentives are in place to at least keep the costs relatively low.) Tbf those without private insurance do get what we call a rebate through the Government. Basically a bit of refund, the amount of which is dependant on one’s annual income level.
See what I mean about complicated lol.

So it’s not like there isn’t some disdain for apparent cost justification here as well. It might be for differing reasons though

 

[F1fan]

No, it is not anybody's job to convince you of anything. Why do you think anyone needs to justify their person themselves to you before getting the medical care they need for themselves or for their children?

This is the crucial question. Why aren't conservatives minding their own business? Conservatives involving themselves in the cases of other people reminds me of Irans morality police, where there is some rigid, ideal policy. This social disdain for trans people is the replacement for the disdain for gay people and their rights, and before them black people and their rights. To my mind conservatives have a historical habit of needing to harangue some group.

 

[F1fan]

Interesting

There is a similar sentiment held by folks here over the amount of tests ordered. Seemingly something used to justify the costs. In both systems, but I hear it more often in the private sector, if I’m honest.

I can see how tests can be abused and used to pad profits. Frankly I think all medical care (that isn't cosmetic) should be covered as a social service. I've known several people in my life that died due to misdiagnosis. I'm not sure if it was not doing enough testing, but i can see in the USA where insurance companies are so concerned about profits that they deny tests and treatments that might not yield results. I loathe this gambling with people's lives because profits are on the line.

See, Australia’s system is actually rather complicated as we do have a private healthcare industry that works in tandem with the Universal one (which is called Medicare here.)
The private system sometimes covers medical issues not always readily covered by Medicare, usually the very rare sort. And the private system allows people to “jump the queue” as it were, if they have non life threatening medical issues. We do have to have priorities.
That said, as far as I know, even those without private health insurance can see whatever private practitioners they want to, as here you can freely choose your GP (though they are legally required to refer folks to Specialists, if the need arises.) It just costs them a fee to visit them. (Doctors here can actually charge whatever they want. But government incentives are in place to at least keep the costs relatively low.) Tbf those without private insurance do get what we call a rebate through the Government. Basically a bit of refund, the amount of which is dependant on one’s annual income level.
See what I mean about complicated lol.

So it’s not like there isn’t some disdain for apparent cost justification here as well. It might be for differing reasons though

I think the USA could do something similar, and should. I think the USA should issue all citizens an insurance card so they can access health carewithout worry that they will go bankrupt. One reason the USA has such high costs is because many poor citizens can't afford insurance so avoid going to doctors until their conditions are so serious they need emergency care. Then their treatment and costs are way more than if they sought preventative treatment. That is the capitalist system we have.

 

[SomeRandom]

I can see how tests can be abused and used to pad profits. Frankly I think all medical care (that isn't cosmetic) should be covered as a social service. I've known several people in my life that died due to misdiagnosis. I'm not sure if it was not doing enough testing, but i can see in the USA where insurance companies are so concerned about profits that they deny tests and treatments that might not yield results. I loathe this gambling with people's lives because profits are on the line.

Damn. That sucks.
I suppose even under the Government system, some tests could be padding and used in order to “look good” to the Royal Commission. (That’s who oversees and maintains medical standards here.)
That said, I’d rather they test properly and overtly rather than like you say, withhold certain tests due to insurance/monetary concerns. I honestly didn’t know they did that in the US. I guess I just assumed the patient got billed for any test not covered by their insurance.
Guess I was too optimistic, which is…wow

I think the USA could do something similar, and should. I think the USA should issue all citizens an insurance card so they can access health carewithout worry that they will go bankrupt. One reason the USA has such high costs is because many poor citizens can't afford insurance so avoid going to doctors until their conditions are so serious they need emergency care. Then their treatment and costs are way more than if they sought preventative treatment. That is the capitalist system we have.

Ngl, the US healthcare system sounds rather bleak.