Calling all Moms

[nutshell]

Please let me be sure I understand you right. Are you saying that neither I nor my daughter have any relevant health concerns when it comes to vaccinations?

If that is the case, then please answer me this:

How many OTC drugs are "safe and effective" for me?

You can give an answer in raw numbers or a percentage -- whichever you prefer.

Straw man.

The thread is not about OTC drugs.

 

[Booko]

No, it's about whether there are any potential problems with vaccinations.

So instead of dodging the question, try answering this:

Please let me be sure I understand you right. Are you saying that neither I nor my daughter have any relevant health concerns when it comes to vaccinations?

We're all dying to know if you're just aimlessly shooting off at the mouth again or you actually know what you're talking about in this instance.

 

[nutshell]

No, it's about whether there are any potential problems with vaccinations.

So instead of dodging the question, try answering this:


We're all dying to know if you're just aimlessly shooting off at the mouth again or you actually know what you're talking about in this instance.

The straw man stands. Problems with vaccinations (the topic of this thread) is not about OTC drugs (not the topic of this thread).

 

[Booko]

Problems with vaccinations (the topic of this thread) is not about OTC drugs (not the topic of this thread).

Which is why I asked you, once again, to explain your comments about vaccinations and whether people did or did not have health concerns with them.

Care to answer the question this time?

 

[nutshell]

Which is why I asked you, once again, to explain your comments about vaccinations and whether people did or did not have health concerns with them.

Care to answer the question this time?

That's not what you asked.

Look above.

You asked about OTC's.

 

[Booko]

That's not what you asked.

Look above.

You asked about OTC's.

That was the latter part of the post. You are still ignoring the question up front.

I've requoted it what, 2 or 3 times now?

OK...I conclude you cannot answer it.

Now maybe the rest of us can get on to discussing vaccinations and whether there are any actual health considerations, since you obviously have nothing to add on that subject.

 

[porkchop]

I have to enroll my boys into school soon and I know they're going to want their [my boys] immunization records. I spoke to my ex-wife about this and she reminded me that she had no been having the boys immunized because she doesn't believe it's necessary and that it can even cause problems etc. So she has them waived on that via "religious" preference or whatever.

What do you guys think. Should I talk to their Mom and tell her I'd like to have the boys immunized from now on or do you Mom's agree that immuniztion is not necessary and even problematic?

My son has had all his immunisations, including the contreversial MMR jab and he's fine, cried a bit when he had it, but that was all. I think they are worth having, i think what if he caught something, i would feel terrible and the odds of them catching something far outway the odds of the immunisations making them ill. I say talk to the mum and say you want it done.

 

[Ciscokid]

I spoke to their Mother. We're getting an appointment to get all their shots [apparently they did get some of them] up to date.

 

[Isabella Lecour]

My preemie still got her shots. Now she was three months early. They weren't delaying any of them while she was in NICU. The only restrictions was her weight and how physically stable she was. But when she got to four pounds and two months she got her two month shots.

The only concern that I have with the shots is that I won't let her get them while she is sick at all. One, it makes it harder to pick out any adverse reactions from the vax if she's sick. Two, I don't really want to overstress her immune system, not to menition make her more merseiable.

 

[Booko]

I spoke to their Mother. We're getting an appointment to get all their shots [apparently they did get some of them] up to date.

Sounds good, Ciscokid.

I didn't get the Chicken Pox one for my kids, as they'd had CP already. But I"m not sure I would've gotten it anyway. It's an annoying but not life-threatening disease, and the vaccine is nowhere near as efficacious as people were led to believe early on.

I'm not quite sure what to do about HPV vaccines. My kids are too old to be required to have them. Same for Hepatitis, but I had EIbhlin vaccinated for that anyway a few years ago.

At some point I'll have to do research on vaccinations when it comes time to think about boosters again.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I would get my kids vaccinated....polio is not gone, mumps and measles can not only be deadly in some cases but you can get hearing loss from them (I am living proof). It also puts any pregnant teacher, aide or casual contact person at risk if they get measles or 3 day measles.

I would just get the basics, not sure Hep B (required here) is absolutely necessary, but a dr could tell you more. By the way, there has been no reserach that draws any real connection between vaccinations and autism, as was once said a lot.

I'd get my kids vaccinated again because of the risks from serious infectious diseases, but there has been a considerable amount of research that shows a correlation between vaccinations and autism rates. I wish there were protections without the kinds of risks from the vaccinations themselves.

I wonder if Dopp will show up here to discuss this side of the debate.

Sharon :hug:




Peace,
Mystic

 

[Booko]

I would get my kids vaccinated....polio is not gone, mumps and measles can not only be deadly in some cases but you can get hearing loss from them (I am living proof). It also puts any pregnant teacher, aide or casual contact person at risk if they get measles or 3 day measles.

Measles is definatly one thing I would aim to have the kids vaccinated for. I grew up with some kids who were victims of measles. I would have a tough time of it if my kid got measles and spread it to some expectant mother.

And yes, polio is also serious, and is not gone. I would not like to see a resurgence.

On the subject of autism and vaccinations, as far as I know it would be more correct to say that research has been inconclusive, not that there is no evidence.

Remember, it takes a long time for anyone to do the long term studies necessary to actually "conclude" something.

People have been well aware of the negative effects of trans fats for decades, but the standard medical community had not yet "proven" it so they chose to work on the assumption that it was better to recommend margarine over butter. The naturopathic medical community played it safe and recommended not consuming things that are unnatural, as we observed the deleterious effects on patients, and finally the standard medical practice has finished its work and caught up with us.

I would not be at all surprised to find out that *some* vaccinations have in fact been harmful, but it will take some time to pin anything down to the point where it can be called conclusive. While I would never counsel a client of mine to throw caution to the winds and avoid vaccinations altogether, I would not advise throwing caution to the winds and just getting vaccinated for everything without investigation and considering the unique body chemistry of the client either.

When investigating safety of vaccinations, always be sure to investigate the source doing the research as well. Much of the "research" put out there is done by companies that produce vaccinations, and assuming they are being straight is like assuming it's fine for the :fox: to guard the house.

Always "follow the money."