Calming a tense nation

[Kenny]

Like the emails Hillary was exonerated for when Comey declared he found no wrong doing?

Hillary erased her emails.... anyone else and they would be in jail for tampering with the evidence.

 

[Kenny]

Yet you had no problem when Trump was declared winner in 2016 in exactly the same way by the media, isn't that hypocracy?

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I knew that he was President when the law declared him president. I didn't trust the media then and I don't trust them now.

 

[Valjean]

Can this be probable cause?

Watchdog identifies 50,000 double-voters, 350,000 dead persons still on rolls

Can 400,000 votes make a difference in this close election?

did you know that Joe Frazier (the boxer) who is dead voted in this last election?

PILF is a right wing Propaganda site. It makes these claims all the time, and when investigated, it's always found to be biased or dead wrong.

Public Interest Legal Foundation - Wikipedia
PolitiFact - Anti-vote fraud group levels false charge of corrupted voter rolls
Is Voter Fraud Afoot? A Look at 7 Claims
PolitiFact | Public Interest Legal Foundation

As has been posted before, these claims of voter fraud have been circulating for decades, from multiple sources. There have been dozens of investigations, both private and public, and the claims have been found overwhelmingly false. Only a handful of actual illegal votes have been verified -- and most have been either Republicans, or votes by people unaware that their votes were illegal, such as x-felons or people with unpaid fines.

Again, voter fraud is statistically insignificant, it's voter suppression that's been verified again and again as a major factor in elections.

 

[tytlyf]

They're really no different than Judicial Watch. Bogus names for the organizations that have nothing to do with the integrity of the organization.
"Public Interest" Legal Foundation, more like Corporate Interest Legal Foundation
Another insider RW dark money interest group.
Public Interest Legal Foundation - SourceWatch

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hillary erased her emails.... anyone else and they would be in jail for tampering with the evidence.

And yet there is really a lack of evidence of any wrong doing.
Did Hillary Clinton Smash Her Phone with a Hammer?

On the question of transparency rather than security, none of this should let Clinton off the hook entirely. It’s still not clear whether her efforts to eliminate her data were motivated by the desire to conceal information as her critics imply or dedication to information security — or a bit of both. But given that Clinton was relying on a handful of aides with limited resources to act as her entire IT infrastructure, it was the right idea from a security standpoint to attempt to destroy the devices rather than letting them sit exposed in a local Goodwill, says Jonathan Zdziarski, an iOS forensics expert and security researcher. He says the FBI report “shows that [Clinton’s aides] were very serious about wanting to destroy the content, but very inexperienced with how to do it.”

PolitiFact - Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton deleted 33,000 emails after getting a subpoena

However, the implication — that Clinton deleted emails relevant to the subpoena in order to avoid scrutiny — is unprovable if not flat wrong.

The FBI’s investigation did find several thousand emails among those deleted that were work-related and should have been turned over to the State Department. However, FBI Director James Comey said in a July 2016 statement that the FBI investigation "found no evidence that any of the additional work-related emails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Can this be probable cause?

Watchdog identifies 50,000 double-voters, 350,000 dead persons still on rolls

Can 400,000 votes make a difference in this close election?

did you know that Joe Frazier (the boxer) who is dead voted in this last election?

Dead persons tend to not notify those keeping track of voter logs that they have died.
What was the fate of these 50,000? It happened, but clearly it was discovered or they wouldn't have found it. So what happened upon it's discovery? When was it discovered? Were they too arrested at work for it?

 

[Valjean]

Interestingly enough, one can only wonder if when Jesus said, "From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks" that Biden really meant it when he said,

"We have put together the most extensive VOTER FRAUD organization ever created"

Biden says in video he has created 'voter fraud organization'

I don't see anything about a voter fraud organization in your link.

 

[Tambourine]

I knew that he was President when the law declared him president.

Is that the law that lets you instantly and intuitively know whenever someone does something illegal?

Like some kind of Lawyer's Spidersense?

 

[Valjean]

Hillary erased her emails.... anyone else and they would be in jail for tampering with the evidence.

That's ridiculous. I delete e-mails all the time. I'm not tampering with evidence.
Who decided her e-mails were "evidence," anyway? Evidence of what? Is she a Russian sleeper? A space alien?
This was all Republican propaganda to sow suspicion and division.

 

[Valjean]

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I knew that he was President when the law declared him president. I didn't trust the media then and I don't trust them now.

So where do you get the information you base your decisions on? A Ouija board?

 

[Kenny]

And yet there is really a lack of evidence of any wrong doing.
Did Hillary Clinton Smash Her Phone with a Hammer?

PolitiFact - Donald Trump says Hillary Clinton deleted 33,000 emails after getting a subpoena

In total, more than 30,000 emails were deleted "because they were personal and private about matters that I believed were within the scope of my personal privacy," Clinton told reporters in March of 2015, as the controversy around her private emails was growing.

Why Hillary Clinton Deleted 33,000 Emails on Her Private Email Server

You can't change history - it's called tampering with the evidence.

 

[Kenny]

I don't see anything about a voter fraud organization in your link.

It was what he said on the video below the main video.

 

[Kenny]

That's ridiculous. I delete e-mails all the time. I'm not tampering with evidence.
Who decided her e-mails were "evidence," anyway? Evidence of what? Is she a Russian sleeper? A space alien?
This was all Republican propaganda to sow suspicion and division.

If you were charged and they said "give me your computer" but you erased your emails first... it WOULD be tampering with the evidence especially if you use software to hide them.

FBI Admits Hillary Used BleachBit Software Designed to 'Hide Traces Of' Deleted Emails

Every criminal would love to erase evidence on the basis of "It's private".

 

[Kenny]

So where do you get the information you base your decisions on? A Ouija board?

When the votes are confirmed and certified by the States legally declaring the winner. How do you find out? By the "polls" and the "media"?

 

[Valjean]

In total, more than 30,000 emails were deleted "because they were personal and private about matters that I believed were within the scope of my personal privacy," Clinton told reporters in March of 2015, as the controversy around her private emails was growing.

Why Hillary Clinton Deleted 33,000 Emails on Her Private Email Server

You can't change history - it's called tampering with the evidence.

But people delete personal e-mails all the time. They'd overwhelm our computers otherwise. What do you suspect was deleted, that was so bad?

The Clintons have been the focus of scurrilous propaganda for years. Bill was under investigation for one scandal or another from the day he took office. Apart the Lewinski affair, nothing came of them. The focus switched to Hillary as soon as she assumed office, with all sorts of wild accusations flying about.
Millions were spent on countless investigations of both Clintons, but no malfeasance was found. The damage was done, however. Generate enough smoke and people will eventually assume there must be a fire.

 

[Valjean]

When the votes are confirmed and certified by the States legally declaring the winner. How do you find out? By the "polls" and the "media"?

Haven't the mainstream media been streaming election details and commentary practically 24/7?
You'd think the rest of the world had ground to a halt.

 

[Kenny]

But people delete personal e-mails all the time. They'd overwhelm our computers otherwise. What do you suspect was deleted, that was so bad?

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OK... so I'm a nefarious accountant for the mob. The FBI says "Give us your computer" and the accountant says "Sure... but let me delete my personal emails first".

Would he be charged? If not, why? If so, with what charge?

(There is a difference between deleting before being charged and deleting after being charged)

 

[Kenny]

Haven't the mainstream media been streaming election details and commentary practically 24/7?
You'd think the rest of the world had ground to a halt.

and how wrong have they been?

 

[Valjean]

If you were charged and they said "give me your computer" but you erased your emails first... it WOULD be tampering with the evidence especially if you use software to hide them.

FBI Admits Hillary Used BleachBit Software Designed to 'Hide Traces Of' Deleted Emails

Every criminal would love to erase evidence on the basis of "It's private".

It's not "evidence."
Why do you think the e-mails were anything more nefarious than recipes from aunt Harriet? You seem convinced she's some kind of anti-American terrorist or foreign spy.
She turned over all official e-mails. There is no reason to suspect that there was anything nefarious in the deleted personal files. The suspicion all stems from a propaganda campaign.

I'm beginning to see where you get all this nonsense, though. You keep linking to known right-wing propaganda sites
The Gateway Pundit - Wikipedia

 

[Valjean]

and how wrong have they been?

The election details have been correct. The polling predictions, though, have been spotty.