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Cameron and Boris Out

Tomorrows_Child

Active Member
So, these 2 are gone from the prime ministerial race. The Conservatives have had major casualties and no one on the leave side, apart from Farage, seems keen on even leaving the EU. It's pretty obvious there was never any solid plan on how Britain would address leaving.

It's been a pretty disastrous week, with many leave voters wanting to change their votes. So what now?
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
So, these 2 are gone from the prime ministerial race. The Conservatives have had major casualties and no one on the leave side, apart from Farage, seems keen on even leaving the EU. It's pretty obvious there was never any solid plan on how Britain would address leaving.

It's been a pretty disastrous week, with many leave voters wanting to change their votes. So what now?
It would appear the Leave leadership didn't expect to win and thus made no plans.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So, these 2 are gone from the prime ministerial race. The Conservatives have had major casualties and no one on the leave side, apart from Farage, seems keen on even leaving the EU. It's pretty obvious there was never any solid plan on how Britain would address leaving.

It's been a pretty disastrous week, with many leave voters wanting to change their votes. So what now?

Serious question. I don't live in Great Britain so really don't have an opinion on this. My question is 'why is it a bad thing for Great Britain to become independent of the EUROPEAN union? Should they have control of their country. Not trying to debate, just want to know why .
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Good question. But shouldn't a sovereign nation have the final say on things? Or do they already?
As near as I can follow it there seems to be a huge amount of linkage involved. If you want to take advantage of D you have to go along with A, B & C. In this way, one retains their "sovereignty" but it really is just for the sake of appearances. It's more like a hostage negotiation.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
So, these 2 are gone from the prime ministerial race. The Conservatives have had major casualties and no one on the leave side, apart from Farage, seems keen on even leaving the EU. It's pretty obvious there was never any solid plan on how Britain would address leaving.
Nah...... :
Cameron is out because he actually invited a referendum that will split Scotland from England/Wales, will cause untold difficulties in Northern Ireland, will cause us to leave the EU......... when he dkidn't actually have to run the referendum. That's political suicide, and he must be deeply embarassed by such a serious mistake.

Boris, like most Brits, believes we should leave, he would have made a tough, hard exit deal with the EU and the Brits trust his straightforward, honest character even when they disagree with him. Boris is going to be something very big here, quite soon..... He just knows when to stand back after being stabbed by a scoundrel who he once trusted. Churchill stood back for years, and despite all his errors we trusted him, because he was genuine, just like Boris is.

If you think that millions of Britons have changed their minds in a week because we know it's all going to be a bit duifficult, then you just don'#t know us.

It's been a pretty disastrous week, with many leave voters wanting to change their votes. So what now?
Who told you that? We knew that the pound would fall away, but look!....... it's coming back faster than we thought it would!
This is the week that Brit Politics needed.
Actually, this is the year that Brit Politics needs....... a good shake up of our whole political system.

And at the end of it all, I reckon that we will turn to people like Boris on both sides of the House, because we're fed up with sly dodgers, and liars, and cheats. You'll see......
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Who told you that? We knew that the pound would fall away, but look!....... it's coming back faster than we thought it would!
This is the week that Brit Politics needed.
Actually, this is the year that Brit Politics needs....... a good shake up of our whole political system.

And at the end of it all, I reckon that we will turn to people like Boris on both sides of the House, because we're fed up with sly dodgers, and liars, and cheats. You'll see......
I like this very much. You express what I am seeing very well. This isn't the huge negative that so many are pretending it is.


In regards to the OP, evidently Cameron didn't expect to lose the vote as he certainly seems to be caught with his pants neatly folded on the chair in another room.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
The EU has been a disaster since the monetary union. The GB has a lot of common sense not to join that. I wonder what humiliating and useless regulations can soon be pushed through when we are losing our best goalkeeper, GB.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Boris, like most Brits, believes we should leave, he would have made a tough, hard exit deal with the EU and the Brits trust his straightforward, honest character even when they disagree with him. ..

Boris is like a dodgy used-car salesman beneath the jolly toff facade, and we are well rid of him. As for "most Brits" thinking we should leave the EU, don't forget it was actually a very close result, 52/48%.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Boris is like a dodgy used-car salesman beneath the jolly toff facade, and we are well rid of him. As for "most Brits" thinking we should leave the EU, don't forget it was actually a very close result, 52/48%.
And, many have allegedly changed their mind
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The fall out from the referendum has hardly started.
The fall on the stock markets was soon largely corrected by profit taking and buyback. The pound is still mostly at the bottom end still.
This was all just a first skirmish.
Things will stay much the same until the situation becomes a little clearer.
what has happened, is that many projects and investment have been put on hold,
And a number of companies have shut up shop and jobs lost... only a few thousand so far, and this is more an indicator than a political problem.
No one on any side is exactly happy. and no plans are yet in place to do anything.
This Limbo situation can only last so long....at some point decisions must be made.
It is only then that the extent of the fallout will be known.
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Surprise, surprise, Osbourne has warned the deficit now won't be cleared by 2020 due to the worsening economic situation, which means even more austerity in the years ahead. I bet the treasury are already working out how to get the deficit down with the EU "savings" due in a couple of years. So much for spending it all on the NHS!
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Interesting. Could you explain further please?
It is quite simple really.

Sovereignity, to the best of my understanding, is the idea that a political entity with its own authority, people and territory should have the authonomy to make its decisions as it pleases.

That may be appealling, but I don't think it is all that sober an idea. In reality we all can and ought to take other people, other nations and other interests into account and attempt to cooperate with the common good.

I don't think there is a whole lot of substance to the idea of nations to begin with.

So no, I will hardly ever be seen presenting sovereignity as something worth pursuing or preserving. Instead, I see it as a delusion worth overcoming.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Serious question. I don't live in Great Britain so really don't have an opinion on this. My question is 'why is it a bad thing for Great Britain to become independent of the EUROPEAN union? Should they have control of their country. Not trying to debate, just want to know why .

The first reason is to do with The European Union is a free trade area; so the UK leaving the EU has a number of economic effects and may bring about a recession in the UK and may affect the world economy as a result. This affects a large number of activities that have become integrated over the past few decades and is going to be disruptive.

Secondly, It is also historically significant as it reverses the trend towards European integration that has taken place since World War II and the Cold War. Brexit is therefore a significant victory for far-right critics of the EU who challenge the necessity for European interfration, the loss of national sovereignty to European institutions, support economic nationalism, protectionism and want to end the free movement of labour due to highly racialised fears over immigration. To a much lesser extent it is also a slight victory for the far left in challenging the EU as a capitalist instutuon promoting free trade (but this did not play a significant role in the referendum result). It has created a lot of uncertainty about what the future of Europe will look like and how the EU will survive the current wave of opposition, threatening the break-up of the EU.
 
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