Can a literal Genesis creation story really hold up?

[greentwiga]

Yet you added mythology to these findings, that only state a type of agriculture developed into a certain spot.

You cannot use one truth, to prove 10 truths not even related.










Abraham has NO historicity at all, NONE.

And who cares where he came from, it means nothing to the mythology.








Factually, man did not start from that geographic location.

Nor was it the first community, or first place man lived in the area.


And YOU have always failed to make a connection between prehistory, and how Israelites obtained this knowledge.

I look at the descriptions of man in Gen 1 and Gen 2 and see differences. Adam in Gen 1 refers to some number of people, male and female. (could be 2 could be many more than 2) Adam in Gen 2 only refers to one male. Then I look at Gen 2:4 These are the generation of ... There could be an unknown number of Generations between the creation of man in Gen 1 and the appearance of Adam in Gen 2. Thus, I could see man being created in Africa and Adam and Eve living in SE turkey many generations later.

Abraham only serves to give validity to the term east, and to show how the account could have been preserved. I guess that it is your belief that Abraham did not exist. One does have to account as to how the Jews got the J2 male haplotype and the first farmers spread the J2 male haplotype. Abraham would account for that.

 

[Thief]

How can that be when your scriptures say that Adam was created within the garden and your god had to take from him to make a mate. How could people exist if Adam was the first and eve was the second. There's no mention of anyone else at this point and there's no mention of children by the two until after their expulsion from the garden.....:sad:

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If the above is true for the sake of definition then Adam was the first human while no others existed....

Day Six....(at the end of Chapter One of Genesis)...
Male and female, no names, no garden, no law,.....
Go forth be fruitful and multiply.

Yeah.

THEN Chapter Two.
A story of selection, isolation, manipulation, alteration.......

Adam is a CHOSEN son of God.
Eve is a clone....no navel.

Adam was given his twin sister for a bride.

All is plausible.
Our current day science demonstrates it could be done.
We no longer have excuse to say nay.

 

[Bunyip]

Day Six....(at the end of Chapter One of Genesis)...
Male and female, no names, no garden, no law,.....
Go forth be fruitful and multiply.

Yeah.

THEN Chapter Two.
A story of selection, isolation, manipulation, alteration.......

Adam is a CHOSEN son of God.
Eve is a clone....no navel.

Adam was given his twin sister for a bride.

All is plausible.
Our current day science demonstrates it could be done.
We no longer have excuse to say nay.

If Eve was a clone of Adam, she would be male mate. Pretty sure you have had that pointed put to you several times before.

 

[Thief]

If Eve was a clone of Adam, she would be male mate. Pretty sure you have had that pointed put to you several times before.

Clone means ...sample taken.
The sample was genetically altered to form a female.

Still a clone....not born of woman.

 

[Bunyip]

Clone means ...sample taken.
The sample was genetically altered to form a female.

Still a clone....not born of woman.

No, a clone would have to be male. If she was female, she can not have been a clone of Adam.

You realise that Adam and Eve is just a story right? You can not seriously believe that they actually existed.

 

[Thief]

No, a clone would have to be male. If she was female, she can not have been a clone of Adam.

You realise that Adam and Eve is just a story right? You can not seriously believe that they actually existed.

Duh....rib taken.....formed to be a woman......no navel....

And someone had to be first to walk with God.

Man as a species on Day Six.
No names.
THEN Chapter Two.

As a species we would have overrun the planet and it's resources long before any 'spirit' could gel.
So.....an alteration was made.
That would be the garden event.

 

[Bunyip]

Duh....rib taken.....formed to be a woman......no navel....

And someone had to be first to walk with God.

Man as a species on Day Six.
No names.
THEN Chapter Two.

As a species we would have overrun the planet and it's resources long before any 'spirit' could gel.
So.....an alteration was made.
That would be the garden event.

Word salad?

 

[Thief]

Word salad?

Naw...for real.

Man took a turn from the animal kingdom.
It was abrupt.

I find it remarkable an explanation for that was written thousands of years before science makes it plausible.

 

[Bunyip]

Naw...for real.

Man took a turn from the animal kingdom.
It was abrupt.

What are you trying to say? Humans are animals.

I find it remarkable an explanation for that was written thousands of years before science makes it plausible.

Really? Surely it is an explanation that fits perfectly if you assume it to have been the product of scientifically illiterate herdsmen. What element do you feel to be remarkable?

 

[outhouse]

I look at the descriptions of man in Gen 1 and Gen 2 and see differences. Adam in Gen 1 refers to some number of people, male and female. (could be 2 could be many more than 2) Adam in Gen 2 only refers to one male. Then I look at Gen 2:4 These are the generation of ... There could be an unknown number of Generations between the creation of man in Gen 1 and the appearance of Adam in Gen 2. Thus, I could see man being created in Africa and Adam and Eve living in SE turkey many generations later.

Im sorry but you cannot tie mythology into reality like that.

There are two known different sources from different locations, it is a compilation of north and south traditions.


It was not written start to finish by one person. That is a fact.

Abraham only serves to give validity to the term east, and to show how the account could have been preserved

Oh your ignorance is shining.

Abraham has no historicity at all as ever existing outside literature.

One does have to account as to how the Jews got the J2 male haplotype and the first farmers spread the J2 male haplotype. Abraham would account for that.

:biglaugh:


From living close to that geographic location next please.




Your attempts are just weak.


Not only does it fly in the face of science and evolution, but cultural and physical anthropology, and every credible historian to date.

Not to mention not being able to get past me, and your forced to ignore my statements and credible sources, that make your little hypothesis so poor its not even laughable.

 

[outhouse]

I look at

Everything but the post you were failing to reply to.

Try looking for the truth, not your belief.




Factually, man did not start from that geographic location.

Nor was it the first community, or first place man lived in the area.


And YOU have always failed to make a connection between prehistory, and how Israelites obtained this knowledge.

 

[`mud]

Arguing with empty teapots.
~
I really like the "word salad" expression, credos to Bunyip.
~
hey Out,
give it up !!
~
'mud

 

[Thief]

What are you trying to say? Humans are animals.

Really? Surely it is an explanation that fits perfectly if you assume it to have been the product of scientifically illiterate herdsmen. What element do you feel to be remarkable?

Let's see....must keep it simple......

Anesthesia, surgery, cloning, genetic manipulation,.......

To a herdsman, the story is beyond rational.
They would not know such things.
What?.....take a rib from a man as he sleeps?.....and not kill him?
IMPOSSIBLE!....unless of course......you know how.

and you can label yourself an animal if you want to.....all the way to heaven.
Where they are likely to throw you back out.

I suspect they are looking for intelligent SPIRIT.

 

[Thief]

Arguing with empty teapots.
~
I really like the "word salad" expression, credos to Bunyip.
~
hey Out,
give it up !!
~
'mud

I understand dropping Outhouse from your attention.
but credos to Bunyip?

If you like salad....ok....

 

[`mud]

hey Thief,
A crumb here.....a crumb there,
it all adds up, didn't you get yours ?
~
Oh well....I think you're crumby also.
~
'mud

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Let's see....must keep it simple......

Anesthesia, surgery, cloning, genetic manipulation,.......

To a herdsman, the story is beyond rational.
They would not know such things.
What?.....take a rib from a man as he sleeps?.....and not kill him?
IMPOSSIBLE!....unless of course......you know how.

Yet we know that taking bone from a person simply to get DNA isn't necessary in this day and time. All you need is blood and/or tissue.

Additionally this raises the question of competence of your god. For a god ("God") to take on such a mindless task goes against the narrative your scriptures paint of your god. Your god is said to be beyond space and time yet in the vastness that is the universe he took the time to do this on an insignificant creation. It, to me, says your god isn't the all powerful and all knowing god that believers say he is if he didn't know the outcome of all things before creating man. The concept of your god leaves a lot of questions unanswered if he is an all powerful and all knowing god. To what purpose would he have for creation...especially man if he supposedly knows the outcomes of all things. If he is all knowing then why does he have a purpose. These are but a few questions that I ponder when dealing with the concept of your god. I don't really need for you to answer them because I've never heard a satisfactory answer from the faithful.

and you can label yourself an animal if you want to.....all the way to heaven.
Where they are likely to throw you back out.

The fact of the matter is...we are are animals. I know...you believe you're special and chosen....but in reality we function the same way most other animals on the planet do.

 

[Thief]

Yet we know that taking bone from a person simply to get DNA isn't necessary in this day and time. All you need is blood and/or tissue.

Additionally this raises the question of competence of your god. For a god ("God") to take on such a mindless task goes against the narrative your scriptures paint of your god. Your god is said to be beyond space and time yet in the vastness that is the universe he took the time to do this on an insignificant creation. It, to me, says your god isn't the all powerful and all knowing god that believers say he is if he didn't know the outcome of all things before creating man. The concept of your god leaves a lot of questions unanswered if he is an all powerful and all knowing god. To what purpose would he have for creation...especially man if he supposedly knows the outcomes of all things. If he is all knowing then why does he have a purpose. These are but a few questions that I ponder when dealing with the concept of your god. I don't really need for you to answer them because I've never heard a satisfactory answer from the faithful.



The fact of the matter is...we are are animals. I know...you believe you're special and chosen....but in reality we function the same way most other animals on the planet do.

Bear in mind the audience He was dealing with.

 

[Thief]

hey Thief,
A crumb here.....a crumb there,
it all adds up, didn't you get yours ?
~
Oh well....I think you're crumby also.
~
'mud

'...and the dogs have crumbs from the table of the children.'....so I've read.

And that quote served the speaker very well, indeed!

 

[greentwiga]

Im sorry but you cannot tie mythology into reality like that.

There are two known different sources from different locations, it is a compilation of north and south traditions.


It was not written start to finish by one person. That is a fact.






Oh your ignorance is shining.

Abraham has no historicity at all as ever existing outside literature.






:biglaugh:


From living close to that geographic location next please.




Your attempts are just weak.


Not only does it fly in the face of science and evolution, but cultural and physical anthropology, and every credible historian to date.

Not to mention not being able to get past me, and your forced to ignore my statements and credible sources, that make your little hypothesis so poor its not even laughable.

Actually, if the Israelites arose purely out of Canaanite stock, they would have mostly J1 Haplotype.

 

[Bunyip]

Let's see....must keep it simple......

Anesthesia, surgery, cloning, genetic manipulation,.......

To a herdsman, the story is beyond rational.
They would not know such things.
What?.....take a rib from a man as he sleeps?.....and not kill him?
IMPOSSIBLE!....unless of course......you know how.

and you can label yourself an animal if you want to.....all the way to heaven.
Where they are likely to throw you back out.

I suspect they are looking for intelligent SPIRIT.

Well yes, clearly they would know nothing about biology, and the bible reflects that utter lack of knowledge perfectly. As to the rest of your post, it is word salad yet again.