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Can a Person, a Material Object Be God?
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I don't think Jesus was worshiping himself, or something about himself, because Bible doesn't say he did so.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
That's not what Jesus meant.
Luke 4 and Matthew 4, if I recall. Jesus tells Satan: "Only Worship God...."
Regardless of the common sense conclusion, Jesus is not a Pantheist, he's very clearly left out Satan. So a God cannot literally be anything according to Jesus.
No. Nice try bro, keep going. This is fun
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I would call it illusions of grandeur and it can be someone who thinks he or she is a God or goddess.
IsraelMoses
Member
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”Psalms 82:6 DRB I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High.
John 10:34 DRB Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
I got angry, when I first heard that, we are gods, years ago until I remembered that we are made in God's image, the spiritual image. We all have just a part of His Spirit, just not the fullness, as gotten from the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. There are other gods, which the demons operate, speak for, causing man to deviate from the Truth ?
That's not what Jesus meant.
Luke 4 and Matthew 4, if I recall. Jesus tells Satan: "Only Worship God...."
Regardless of the common sense conclusion, Jesus is not a Pantheist, he's very clearly left out Satan. So a God cannot literally be anything according to Jesus.
No. Nice try bro, keep going. This is fun
the greek noun used in john 4:24 is a noun derived from a verb. basically a deverbal noun
noun
G4151 - pneuma - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
G4151 - πνεῦμα pneûma, pnyoo'-mah; from ; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the...
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verb
G4154 - pneō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
G4154 - πνέω pnéō, pneh'-o; a primary word; to breathe hard, i.e. breeze:—blow. Compare .
which is very smiliar to the hebrew idea of spirit
firedragon
Veteran Member
The person who makes that claim has to provide evidence using his epistemology.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
the greek noun used in john 4:24 is a noun derived from a verb. basically a deverbal noun
noun
G4151 - pneuma - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
G4151 - πνεῦμα pneûma, pnyoo'-mah; from ; a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the...www.blueletterbible.org
from
verb
G4154 - pneō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
G4154 - πνέω pnéō, pneh'-o; a primary word; to breathe hard, i.e. breeze:—blow. Compare .www.blueletterbible.org
which is very smiliar to the hebrew idea of spirit
So...... you're telling me things I already know? What's fun about that?
because you made the statement that jesus wasn't a pantheist. obviously he was otherwise the breath/wind/spirit wasn't within him.
(1) Dialectical identity. It is important to note that many pantheists will not accept the classical logic of identity in which pairs are straightforwardly either identical or different. They may adopt rather the logic of relative identity, or identity-in-difference, by which it is possible to maintain that God and the cosmos are simultaneously both identical and different, or to put the matter in more theological language, that God is simultaneously both transcendent and immanent.
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dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Pantheism is distinguished from other spiritual philosophies because it asserts the divine is universal, ALL in all. If Jesus believed in ALL in all, he would have bowed to Satan.
Jesus was spiritual. No doubt, but he very clearly distinguished between different sorts of spirit and perceived a spiritual hierarchy. Pantheism does not make this distinction and finds the hierarchy repugnant.
showing respect to everything, doesn't reflect as a worship of everything and anything. and transcendental implies something lesser/greater.
especially those who have separated/divided themselves against that which is obvious. the parable of the single eye explains this easily but those who want the light and dark to be externalized can abdicate their own responsibility to be the light and can blame the darkness of otherness.
they prefer to hide the light under a bushel, lest someone see. john 3:19. some folks take the easy and more popular road.
to see is singular, there is no dualism except in externalizing and juxtaposing.
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dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Jesus put Satan behind him ( literally, the Greek word used means "under" ).
I do not read any respect for Satan in the story. If you disagree quote the verses.
Jesus does not agree.
illusion is a powerful tool of deception. obviously this satan exists and tempted jesus but jesus didn't destroy satan. just overcame it. who needs enemies when you're your own worst friend?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
The point, brother, is not whether or not Satan exists, not whether or not there is divinity included with and in all of creation.
The point is, Jesus was not a Pantheist. He put Satan under him, and he put himself under the Father. The technique described in the gospel of John has correspondence with Pantheism. They share similar qualities, but they are also very different.
The technique is called bittul. You've written about it briefly, here and there. But it doesn't seem like you know exactly what it is or how it works.
nope,
the point is you can't just talk the talk, you have to overcome certain things to move the idea from it's potential to it's ideal realized.
jesus put himself in an extremely vulnerable state and overcame his lower, base self, his carnal desires.
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believing is not like knowing. knowing is a 1st person experience. believing is a 2nd 3rd person relation to the 1st person, or thin. jesus also told you can also do all these things and more, if you believe. but if the belief isn't steeped in curiosity to know, then knowing will never be realized. belief without work, is doa
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Except when he didn't. Over turning the money changer's tables... And elsewhere. I suspect a lack of sensitivity is interfering with a fair rendering of the story in your mind.
There's more than one way to feel as if one has overcome their base desires. You're forgetting about about denial, becoming old and jaded, becoming calloused.
These are not virtues. But if one considers themself enlightened, they will certainly ignore these and instead delude themselves, proclaiming victory.
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