Can a Person, a Material Object Be God?

[Fool]

Hah. Your denial doesn't mean much to me.

Carry on in your ... miscomprehension.

he went into the desert to be tempted, challenged by his baser self. any flaws would become obvious at a level of extreme vulnerability

physical and spiritual growth doesn't come without challenge. when something is placed under great pressure, it either breaks, is crushed or becomes crystalized.

one can be their own worst enemy and a house divided against itself will fall. in psychology, the whole incorporates the dark and the light. it doesn't attempt to destroy it. jung refers to the darkness as the shadow, plato refers to it as a dark horse in the allegory of the chariot.


jesus references it in matthew 6:23 and refers to an eye and not eyes.


thus a light appears in the darkness and the darkness can't overcome it. now that flicker is fed by the darkness.


because the darkness is but light with love.

 

[Fool]

Except when he didn't. Over turning the money changer's tables... And elsewhere. I suspect a lack of sensitivity is interfering with a fair rendering of the story in your mind.

how is overturning a table in a sacred space base?

There's more than one way to feel as if one has overcome their base desires. You're forgetting about about denial, becoming old and jaded, becoming calloused.

These are not virtues. But if one considers themself enlightened, they will certainly ignore these and instead delude themselves, proclaiming victory.

are you speaking from experience?

 

[dybmh]

he went into the desert to be tempted, challenged by his baser self.

You believe "ALL in all", Pantheism?

Is ALL in the baser-self?

Did Jesus believe ALL is in the baser-self? If so, he would be bowing to baser-self just like ALL the others.

how is overturning a table in a sacred space base?

He didn't appeal to reason. He reacted in anger. Justified. Sure, but still a base emotion. Rage. Not "mindful".

are you speaking from experience?

Of course!!! This is not my first rodeo, cowboy.

 

[Fool]

You believe "ALL in all", Pantheism?

Is ALL in the baser-self?

You've already spoken of denial. darkness doesn't have to be a total negative. it just has to be a choice to try to promote selfish things over the well being of otherness as self and at it's expense. the story line is that this being called satan chose, through free will, to usurp the law of oneness and attempted to promote itself as equal to all but then wanted to be in control above all. illogical in order for the individuation to exist and in controll of all, it has to differentiate itself from the ALL

Did Jesus believe ALL is in the baser-self? If so, he would be bowing to baser-self just like ALL the others.

the baser self has needs. case in point there is gluttony but obviously we have a need to eat in order to exist in this experience. again jesus didn't seek to destroy. once the baser needs, the needs of the vehicle/body/carnal are harnessed, yoked to the higher self then wholeness/oneness becomes possible.

He didn't appeal to reason. He reacted in anger. Justified. Sure, but still a base emotion. Rage. Not "mindful".



Of course!!! This is not my first rodeo, cowboy.

being angry at an injustice isn't base. anger in itself isn't a negative. being angry and projecting or transfering it onto others is. you can't profit from what you can't control.

 

[dybmh]

darkness doesn't have to be a total negative

Of course. But if there is any hierarchy it cannot be "ALL in all". The hierarchy is produced by either the inclusion of something or the exclusion of something. Any time there is a hierarchy of spirit, it CANNOT, by definition, be Pantheism.

Process of elimination

Jesus is not a Pantheist

 

[dybmh]

being angry at an injustice isn't base. anger in itself isn't a negative

please define "base"

I am not understanding you

sorry

 

[Sand Dancer]

I don't think Jesus was god. He was the embodiment of god, our closest human representative of god. God is spirit.

 

[Trailblazer]

can a person be god in the sense of what Jesus said?


“God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth” (John 4:24).

No, I do not believe a person can be God since God is not a person. God is spirit.

was jesus worshipping something about himself vs worshipping himself?

No, I do not believe that Jesus was worshiping Himself or something about Himself.
Jesus worshiped only God.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

 

[YellowFeather]

Because Adam sinned and created sin, the body also became sin. So God had to send his Son Jesus in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. God could not take the fall of sin. God has to stay perfect. Then when Jesus went back to heaven he now sits at the right hand of the Father. Because Jesus is not God, Jesus does not even know when the end will happen. Mathew 24:36 No one knows when the earth will end nor the Son, only the Father.

 

[YellowFeather]

Jesus was god manifest. Jesus knew who he was. Without him life wouldn’t exist. He was humble about it though.

No, Jesus was Gods Son. God could not come in the flesh because the flesh was now sin due to Adam disobeying him. Romans 8:1 God sent his Son in the likeness of a sinful man to be a sin offering.

 

[Jimmy]

No, Jesus was Gods Son. God could not come in the flesh because the flesh was now sin due to Adam disobeying him. Romans 8:1 God sent his Son in the likeness of a sinful man to be a sin offering.

Gods son, God manifest. Tomatoes, tomatas

 

[anotherneil]

I'm going to go with the thread title as the topic in my response (the title seems a bit clickbaity):

There have been individuals who were considered to be God or a living god, such as the ancient Egyptian pharaohs and the emperor of Japan. For Japan this was a recent thing from within the past century, not something that ended centuries ago & there are still people alive today who were born when this practice still existed.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

can a person be god in the sense of what Jesus said?


“God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth” (John 4:24).


was jesus worshipping something about himself vs worshipping himself?

In Judaism, no. In fact this is a major teaching. The third principle in Maimonides' 13 Principals of the Faith is:
3. God is not a physical being and is beyond any form of physicality.

 

[Fool]

Of course. But if there is any hierarchy it cannot be "ALL in all". The hierarchy is produced by either the inclusion of something or the exclusion of something. Any time there is a hierarchy of spirit, it CANNOT, by definition, be Pantheism.

Process of elimination

Jesus is not a Pantheist

all in all incorporates the whole even if parts of that whole rejects itself, or is in denial.

you've already admitted to the obvious fact of denial.

are you in denial?

 

[Fool]

please define "base"

I am not understanding you

sorry

being lower.

love doesn't accept anything and everything as wholistic. one can be loving and still reject behavior that isn't loving. parents do it all the time with their children

 

[firedragon]

I don't think Jesus was god. He was the embodiment of god, our closest human representative of god. God is spirit.

Are you a trinitarian?

 

[Fool]

No, I do not believe a person can be God since God is not a person. God is spirit.

but a person doesn't have a spirit?

No, I do not believe that Jesus was worshiping Himself or something about Himself.
Jesus worshiped only God.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

so serving something can't be about 1 John 4 and to love god with all their heart and thy neighbor as thyself?

how can you love one thing with all you heart and still be able to love anotherness unless?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Are you a trinitarian?

I'm not sure I am actually.

 

[firedragon]

I'm not sure I am actually.

Oh okay. No problem. Just asking.

 

[dybmh]

being lower.

If there is such a thing, "being lower" is Pantheism true? "All-in-all" literally prohibits anything "being lower". Am I wrong?

love doesn't accept anything and everything as wholistic.

Then it cannot be the "ALL in all".

one can be loving and still reject behavior that isn't loving. parents do it all the time with their children

Rejection? What??!!! Blasphemy <--- exaggeration for effect.

There is no room for rejection in Pantheism. Am I wrong?