Can a "True" Christian Believe in Extraterrestrials?

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If ALL were saved, there would be No reason or need to repent so as Not to perish ( be destroyed )

Jesus is irrelevant to my repentance to God for my sins, though. I don't need to fill out an "I'm sorry" form in triplicate...

By breaking God's Law then Adam took the Law out of God's hands and placed the law into mankind's hands.

That's not how law works. If a person breaks a US law, that doesn't suddenly turn the legality over to the law-breaker. The law-maker still gets top billing.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I'm not even sure if there is intelligent life on Earth. Have you read the papers lately?

Good one ^ above ^.
Besides the newspapers, Scripture points out a line of evidence that there are people who can read and hear but Not make sense out of 2 Timothy 3:1-5;
2 Timothy 3:13 where it describes the selfish distorted form of love the world displays. Which is in sharp contrast to the definition of love as defined at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Jesus is irrelevant to my repentance to God for my sins, though. I don't need to fill out an "I'm sorry" form in triplicate...
That's not how law works. If a person breaks a US law, that doesn't suddenly turn the legality over to the law-breaker. The law-maker still gets top billing.

No repenting person needs to fill out an "I'm sorry" form in triplicate - 1 John 1:7

In the case of Adam v/s God, by Adam breaking God's Law it must be remembered Adam was created with free-will choices.
Adam had the choice in front of him to keep the Law in God's hands, or to transfer the Law into Adam's own hands.
Adam chose to set up People Rule as superior to God Rule. Adam thus gave himself Top Billing over his Creator, God and Father.
The ' issue of legality ' then became at stake. Was God going to Bully Adam into obeying Him, or would God let Adam and his descendants see who governs best.
No doubt you remember the old adage about giving a person enough rope and he can hang oneself.
Mankind was given the 'rope ', so to speak, and all in heaven and on earth can see that People Rule (independent of God) is ineffective in bringing Peace on Earth.
The words of Ecclesiastes 8:9 have proven true that man has dominated man to man's hurt or injury, in contrast to Jesus' New Law or New Commandment at John 13:34-35
So, that is why God is giving Jesus ' Top Billing ' (Prince of Peace) for us, so that Law-Maker Jesus is the one who will step in and usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.
- Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16; Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:10-11; Psalms 37:29; Proverbs 2:21-22

 

[McBell]

Ken Ham thinks not.

"... there is a theological reason that I believe rules out the possibility of intelligent life in outer space.

The Bible makes it clear in Romans 8:22 that the “whole creation groans” because of Adam’s sin. When Adam fell, the entire universe was affected. Not only this, but one day in the future, there will be “a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away” (Revelation 21:1).

Isaiah 34:4 states, “And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falls off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.”

Now here is the problem. If there are intelligent beings on other planets, then they would have been affected by the fall of Adam because the whole creation was affected. So these beings would have to die because death was the penalty for sin. One day their planet will be destroyed by fire during God’s final judgment, but they cannot have salvation because that blessing is given only to humans."
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So, take your pick: This is . . .

a) silliness,
b) poor theology,
c) bad reasoning,​

or

d) sensible,
e) good theology,
f) right on point
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WHY?

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OR, is there some other religious reason Christians should not believe in intelligent life in outer space?

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I shall wait until Mr Ken Ham defines "true Christian" in a useful and or meaningful way.

 

[Skwim]

I shall wait until Mr Ken Ham defines "true Christian" in a useful and or meaningful way.

When a Christian uses the term "true Christian" they mean a Christian who believes as they do.


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[URAVIP2ME]

When a Christian uses the term "true Christian" they mean a Christian who believes as they do.
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How did Jesus describe or define a ' true Christian ' at John 13:34-35 but identified them by showing they would have the same self-sacrificing love as Jesus displayed.

 

[idea]

I'm a Christian ... anyone else here know where Kolob is?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

so what is the point of using the word ''christian''? theres no inherent meaning in that context, besides describing a character attribute

The point of using the word "Christian" is because that teaching comes from Christ Jesus - John 13:34-35
Jesus also taught MANY would come ' in his name ' but prove to be false Christians - Matthew 7:21-23
Both genuine ' wheat' Christians would grow along together with the fake 'weed/tares' Christians until the harvest time ( our time frame )
We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation' on Earth when the humble people will be separated from the haughty or goat-like people. - Matthew 25:31-33,37

 

[McBell]

The point of using the word "Christian" is because that teaching comes from Christ Jesus - John 13:34-35
Jesus also taught MANY would come ' in his name ' but prove to be false Christians - Matthew 7:21-23
Both genuine ' wheat' Christians would grow along together with the fake 'weed/tares' Christians until the harvest time ( our time frame )
We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation' on Earth when the humble people will be separated from the haughty or goat-like people. - Matthew 25:31-33,37

Is your use of "soon coming" in the modern sense or the Biblical sense?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Is your use of "soon coming" in the modern sense or the Biblical sense?

In brief, there are two (2) fullfillments in Matthew 24
The 1st, or minor fulfullment, was when unfaithful Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman armies in the year 70.
The 2nd, or major fullfullment, is for our day or our time frame. ( see also Luke 21:11 )
A key is found at Matthew 24:14 and at Acts of the Apostles 1:8
Never before in history has the good news of God's kingdom government been proclaimed on such a vast international scale as is being done today.
Modern technology has made possible rapid Bible translation possible earth wide so people can have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native language.
In other words, we are at the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14 before the end of all badness on Earth comes.
We are also nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as a precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill - Matthew 5:5

 

[McBell]

In brief, there are two (2) fullfillments in Matthew 24
The 1st, or minor fulfullment, was when unfaithful Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman armies in the year 70.
The 2nd, or major fullfullment, is for our day or our time frame. ( see also Luke 21:11 )
A key is found at Matthew 24:14 and at Acts of the Apostles 1:8
Never before in history has the good news of God's kingdom government been proclaimed on such a vast international scale as is being done today.
Modern technology has made possible rapid Bible translation possible earth wide so people can have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native language.
In other words, we are at the ' final phase ' of Matthew 24:14 before the end of all badness on Earth comes.
We are also nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as a precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill - Matthew 5:5

Um...
So you are using the modern sense, right?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Um...
So you are using the modern sense, right?

It seems that the ' modern sense ' in itself has different belief thoughts connected to it.
For example: most TV preachers point everyone to heaven instead of a lasting hope for Earth as Revelation 22:2 mentions the return of the ' tree of life ' for healing earth's nations.
So, if one connects that the ' modern sense ' is a sure hope for a beautiful paradisical Earth, then yes, I am using the modern sense.

 

[Skwim]

How did Jesus describe or define a ' true Christian ' at John 13:34-35 but identified them by showing they would have the same self-sacrificing love as Jesus displayed.

Did Jesus ever use the term "true Christian"? Nope. So I have no idea what you're talking about.


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[URAVIP2ME]

Did Jesus ever use the term "true Christian"? Nope. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Don't the words ' you are my disciples ' - John 13:35 - also mean his true Christian followers ?________

 

[blue taylor]

There is no such thing as a true Christian.

 

[Skwim]

Don't the words ' you are my disciples ' - John 13:35 - also mean his true Christian followers ?________

Are you saying that even before Jesus died he was talking about his Christian followers? In any case, when I said, "When a Christian uses the term "true Christian" they mean a Christian who believes as they do." I was obviously referring to contemporary Christians. Or isn't this obvious?


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[serp777]

I'm not even sure if there is intelligent life on Earth. Have you read the papers lately?

Well you're forgetting intelligent dolphins and ravens. Don't insult all life on earth, jeez.

 

[McBell]

It seems that the ' modern sense ' in itself has different belief thoughts connected to it.
For example: most TV preachers point everyone to heaven instead of a lasting hope for Earth as Revelation 22:2 mentions the return of the ' tree of life ' for healing earth's nations.
So, if one connects that the ' modern sense ' is a sure hope for a beautiful paradisical Earth, then yes, I am using the modern sense.

what the hell are you talking about?
I am asking if you are using the term "soon coming" in the modern sense or the Biblical sense.

 

[idav]

OR, is there some other religious reason Christians should not believe in intelligent life in outer space?

There could be creatures on other planets, but with the exclusiveness the OT teaches, only humans are special. The NT further alludes to humans being higher than angels. 1 Corinthians 6:3

 

[Skwim]

There could be creatures on other planets, but with the exclusiveness the OT teaches, only humans are special.

Curious. Where does the OT teach this?

The NT further alludes to humans being higher than angels. 1 Corinthians 6:3

Higher in what respect? . 1 Corinthians 6:3 only says that Christians will judge angels. It isn't uncommon for people to judge their superiors.


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