Can Any Christian Here Explain Why Gnosticism Is Wrong With Evidence ?

[Ebionite]

a little child seven days old

Circumcision is on the eighth day. Seven is שבע, which is also oath. Seven relates to duality (the twin).

For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 12:4

Don't lie

For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Romans 3:7

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The physical world is evil that is my proof.

No, that is your judgment, not a fact, therefore not evidence.

 

[Massimo2002]

No, that is your judgment, not a fact, therefore not evidence.

How on earth can you think that the physical world is good ?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I can sympathize with some gnostic stuff, but the physical reality is evil thing too much and I sorta agree with that.

 

[Ebionite]

When you are talking about theology or the spiritual realm. NO ONE has evidence, just beliefs.

Facts and reason are both forms of evidence, and theology makes use of them.

 

[Kenny]

You picked verses from the Tanak. You get to own your error.

LOL… how you love not to address questions and points… and just say “It’s your fault”. But I noted way before you didn’t want to address your point! In other words, your title was a smoke screen. What is your real question?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

How on earth can you think that the physical world is good ?

The physical world is a mix if good and bad. There are bad things like sickness, war, natural disasters.. And there are good and beautiful things like kittens and sequoia trees and heros running into burning buildings to save people.

If you are being overwhelmed by the harshness of life (and trust me I understand how brutal it can be) my suggestion is to spend more time in nature and with family.

 

[Bthoth]

Circumcision is on the eighth day. Seven is שבע, which is also oath. Seven relates to duality (the twin).


But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 12:4


For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Romans 3:7

My comment included copying, from Book of thomas. I did not write those word that you quoted

 

[Ebionite]

LOL… how you love not to address questions and points

Projection.

The point is that your claim that "The spirit and the soul (mind, intellect, emotions) are two individual parts but make up the heart" isn't supported by your proof text.

 

[Ebionite]

My comment included copying, from Book of thomas. I did not write those word that you quoted

Yes, I was showing associations with other text.

 

[Bthoth]

Yes, I was showing associations with other text.

It's ok, but I just noticed that they were quoted as if I wrote them

 

[Kenny]

Projection.

The point is that your claim that "The spirit and the soul (mind, intellect, emotions) are two individual parts but make up the heart" isn't supported by your proof text.

Which has nothing to do with the title and what we began to discuss. You also never answered the points of differences between gnosticism and Christianity but chose, rather, to steer the dialogue in a different direction.

I didn’t go deeper into the spirit, soul and heart because it had nothing to do with what we were discussing.

 

[Bthoth]

Which has nothing to do with the title and what we began to discuss. You also never answered the points of differences between gnosticism and Christianity but chose, rather, to steer the dialogue in a different direction.

Have you ever read the book of thomas?

I didn’t go deeper into the spirit, soul and heart because it had nothing to do with what we were discussing.

What is consistent is each and everyone has them.

 

[Kenny]

Have you ever read the book of thomas?\

To be honest. No. I have read a summary and a comparison but not the book itself.

There is a litany of books that I have to read and am reading… not all Christian. The Book of Thomas is not one of them.

I remember when I lived in Venezuela and received monies from the salesmen of Chew and Company - a food distribution company. I could tell when a counterfeit money was given to me. Not because I spent time to study counterfeits but rather I took time to know the feel and the look of the real denominations.

So I don’t take much time studying counterfeit gospels because I spend my time studying the real thing.

What is consistent is each and everyone has them.

True… true.

 

[Bthoth]

To be honest. No. I have read a summary and a comparison but not the book itself.

There is a litany of books that I have to read and am reading… not all Christian. The Book of Thomas is not one of them.

The majority is practically quoting jesus.

I remember when I lived in Venezuela and received monies from the salesmen of Chew and Company - a food distribution company. I could tell when a counterfeit money was given to me. Not because I spent time to study counterfeits but rather I took time to know the feel and the look of the real denominations.

So put your hands-mind on to it and take a shot.

if you trust your ability to choose what is right and wrong.

So I don’t take much time studying counterfeit gospels because I spend my time studying the real thing.

It's basically one long page.

You will even see matt mark .....peter paul and mary

True… true.

 

[Kenny]

The majority is practically quoting jesus.

True… but it isn’t what is the same that is the problem. It is what makes it a counterfeit that is the problem. It creates religions like gnosticism. Some truth mixed with untruths.

So put your hands-mind on to it and take a shot.

if you trust your ability to choose what is right and wrong.

Don’t understand. You want to know why it isn’t part of the Bible? Or an example of why it is wrong?

It's basically one long page.

You will even see matt mark .....peter paul and mary

Relevance?

 

[Bthoth]

True… but it isn’t what is the same that is the problem. It is what makes it a counterfeit that is the problem. It creates religions like gnosticism. Some truth mixed with untruths.

Gnosticism existed before christianity or jesus.

""Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek: γνωστικός, romanized: gnōstikós, Koine Greek: [ɣnostiˈkos], 'having knowledge') is a collection of religious ideas and systems that coalesced in the late 1st century AD among Jewish and early Christian sects. These various groups emphasized personal spiritual knowledge (gnosis) above the proto-orthodox teachings, traditions, and authority of religious institutions."""

Don’t understand. You want to know why it isn’t part of the Bible? Or an example of why it is wrong?

I wanted to know since you are capable: ""
So put your hands-mind on to it and take a shot.

if you trust your ability to choose what is right and wrong.""

Relevance?

That BOOK of Thomas, is per se quoting jesus and is not some drawn out story telling novel or narrative but focused on lessons, expressed as coming from jesus (quoting him).

The document shares the key people, peter, paul and mary .... not just matt and mark.

My point is if you love jesus so much, why not witness the material to yourself, rather than take opinions of others?

 

[dybmh]

I always see Christians insulting Gnosticism like they do with the new age movement but I have yet to see any Christians give real evidence as to why Gnosticism or new ageism are wrong. I think Christians just simply hate and are afraid of Gnosticism and new ageism because they aren't Christianity.

I'm not Christian but the gnostics who come here frequently misquote scripture and equate God and Satan as if they are the same being.

Can I prove them wrong? I can prove they cherry pick scripture and ignore anything which disagrees with them.

 

[dybmh]

I agree with all of that but still don’t understand how that relates to what gnosticism believes in.

I've found gnostics often hide their true beliefs.

 

[Ebionite]

Which has nothing to do with the title and what we began to discuss.

You're deflecting. If you don't know what you are then your perceptions of things that are outside of yourself are not likely to be meaningful.