Can Anyone Give a Legitimate Non-Religious Reasons Against Gay Marriage

[Gharib]

Well can anyone? Do any even exist?

yeah heres one:
a marriage is something when a male and female come together to be by each others side for the rest of the lifes (or something similar, who cares anyway)
so tell me who gets to be the male and who gets to be the female.
who will give birth to the child, a child cannot have 2 fathers nor 2 mothers. if everyone became gay then what will happen to the population everyone will get married but no kids, or will they then have to do it with a cow or a goat (sorry for the rude language, i appologise)

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Ok, devils advocate here just to throw another example in the firing line!
What about the yin/yang theory Properties of Yin and Yang
Yin and yang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A balanced marriage can be based on the yin yang theory. I cant remember which is female and which is male but the two are completely opposite but together complement each other and are balanced each having a small part of the other within. Only heterosexual marriages can be applied to the yin and yang. You cant have Yin and Yin or Yang and Yang because the two would be unbalanced. Therefore homosexuals cannot work because they are not balanced.

 

[Green Gaia]

Who here really believes that a dad (male parent) is unimportant? Or that a mother (female parent) is unimportant? I don't care how many women are in a child's life, that child needs a father. No woman can be a father. No man can be a mother.

I believe LOVE is important.

 

[Green Gaia]

Well, I thought this topic was about the OTHER side of the argument. There IS another side, by the way.

And... YES it is the issue for homosexuals. Homosexuals believe that marriage does NOT exist within the realm of religion, but is something that is determined as a right by the government.

Excuse me, but there are many religious gay and lesbian people who may or may not believe in a religious connection to marriage. Don't make assumptions about what glbt people believe; we vary greatly on religious beliefs.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

yeah heres one:
a marriage is something when a male and female come together to be by each others side for the rest of the lifes (or something similar, who cares anyway)
so tell me who gets to be the male and who gets to be the female.
who will give birth to the child, a child cannot have 2 fathers nor 2 mothers. if everyone became gay then what will happen to the population everyone will get married but no kids, or will they then have to do it with a cow or a goat (sorry for the rude language, i appologise)

Hmmmmm......the person who would give birth to the child would obviously be a WOMAN!!! (although that could change in the future - you never know!). Being homosexual doesn't change the genetic make up of the people involved. This is where women have more power, because of the sperm banks - we don't even need men to get pregnant! . They can be whatever they want to be!

 

[Green Gaia]

yeah heres one:
a marriage is something when a male and female come together to be by each others side for the rest of the lifes (or something similar, who cares anyway)
so tell me who gets to be the male and who gets to be the female.
who will give birth to the child, a child cannot have 2 fathers nor 2 mothers. if everyone became gay then what will happen to the population everyone will get married but no kids, or will they then have to do it with a cow or a goat (sorry for the rude language, i appologise)

Are you serious or were you born yesterday?

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Are you serious or were you born yesterday?

I think he (I am assuming he is male!) was born yesterday!

Besides doesnt islam teach that a man can have three wives - so a child can have three mothers right?

 

[gnomon]

Considering that the entire issue is centered around the question of whether or not marriage is legally recognized as having religious importance, it seems impossible to answer your question.

The whole debate is whether or not marriage exists within or outside of the realm of religion.

Actually I think that needs to be refined. Certain religions already marry homosexuals. It only applies to certain religions.

Which begs the question. If there are no secular arguments against homosexual marriage and only certain religions, primarily certain Abrahamic religions, then isn't any legislation passed outlawing gay marriage is abridging the religious freedom of homosexuals?

yeah heres one:
a marriage is something when a male and female come together to be by each others side for the rest of the lifes (or something similar, who cares anyway)
so tell me who gets to be the male and who gets to be the female.
who will give birth to the child, a child cannot have 2 fathers nor 2 mothers. if everyone became gay then what will happen to the population everyone will get married but no kids, or will they then have to do it with a cow or a goat (sorry for the rude language, i appologise)

Human beings are not absolutely sexually dimorphic. I've asked on more than one occasion how this changes religious views that have traditionally held a false premise of absolute sexual dimorphism?

Do you care to answer this one?

 

[Magic Man]

Egad! Come on people, you can do better than that! I've been out of this forum for several weeks, and come back for a brief visit. Darn it, I have to post!

Big non-religious reason: Children. Legalize gay marriage = legalize gay adoption. Also increased pressure on doctors to aid in conception (involving a 3rd party) so that gay couples can produce babies. This says to the world, fathers OR mothers are not important. It says two mothers = a mom & dad. It says two fathers = a mom & dad. It says gender in parents is irrelevent to the children.

You say that like you expect everyone to share your view that two mothers or two fathers is a bad thing or that legalizing gay adoption is bad. I would disagree with everything here except your last sentence. That's the point, gender in parents is irrelevant to the children. That part is true, and you should accept it.

Who here really believes that a dad (male parent) is unimportant? Or that a mother (female parent) is unimportant? I don't care how many women are in a child's life, that child needs a father. No woman can be a father. No man can be a mother.

Why are they so important? Which is more important to you: having two loving parents who want the best for their children or having a mother and a father? Personally, I'd take the first option every time, even if it was two people of the same gender. Is an abusive drunk of a father more important than a woman who loves her child and treats them correctly?

Let gay couples adopt children who have no other options. Of course a loving gay home is better than no home. But don't bring a child into the world to deprive it of a father or a mother ON PURPOSE. It's just not fair to the child.

There, I'm leaving now. I'll be sure to lock up on my way out.

You do realize that children of gay parents have a very high rate of happiness and being well-adjusted, right? Higher than children of straight parents. Again, I know you expect to throw this sort of thing out there and have everyone go "Oh yeah, you're right", but you're wrong. You seem to think that the gender of the parents has some amazing effect on the children, and you are wrong.

Thanks for stopping by, and now maybe we can get back to the topic of the thread, legitimate non-religious reasons against gay marriage.

 

[Magic Man]

Well, I thought this topic was about the OTHER side of the argument. There IS another side, by the way.

Yes, we know. We're trying to figure out whether that other side has any good reasoning that we should listen to. So far, nothing.

And... YES it is the issue for homosexuals. Homosexuals believe that marriage does NOT exist within the realm of religion, but is something that is determined as a right by the government.

Some homosexuals believe that their marriage exists within religion, since their are some religions and sects of Christianity that do perform gay marriages. However, this whole debate has nothing to do with religion. This is, in fact, about a right given by the government. This issue is not about religious marriage at all, and that's where the problems come in. It is only about a state contract. Remember, I and my wife are atheists. We got married at a mansion and the ceremony involved nothing about God or religion.

 

[gnomon]

if everyone became gay then what will happen to the population everyone will get married but no kids, or will they then have to do it with a cow or a goat (sorry for the rude language, i appologise)

What the heck?

I missed this the first time.

Is this something that people really worried about. You stay awake at night hoping you do not wake up gay the next morning?:areyoucra

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

if everyone became gay then what will happen to the population everyone will get married but no kids, or will they then have to do it with a cow or a goat (sorry for the rude language, i appologise)

Is this something that people really worried about. You stay awake at night hoping you do not wake up gay the next morning?

Naw. He's just conflicted with his choices ...

 

[Magic Man]

yeah heres one:
a marriage is something when a male and female come together to be by each others side for the rest of the lifes (or something similar, who cares anyway)
so tell me who gets to be the male and who gets to be the female.
who will give birth to the child, a child cannot have 2 fathers nor 2 mothers. if everyone became gay then what will happen to the population everyone will get married but no kids, or will they then have to do it with a cow or a goat (sorry for the rude language, i appologise)

Your definition of marriage is a male and a female. My definition (and many others') is the union of two people who love each other.

There's no need for one to be male and one to be female. If it's a lesbian relationship, whichever one chooses to will give birth to the children. If it's a gay couple, they can find someone who will have their baby. A child can indeed have two fathers or two mothers, and they actually tend to turn out better than children of straight couples.

Are you really suggesting that if we allow gay marriage, everyone will become gay? Or are you just using the argument that it's bad because if everyone did it, we'd die off? As to the first one, that's just plain ridiculous. To the second one, who cares? Not everyone is going to turn gay. If everyone was a shoe salesman, we'd die of starvation. Is it wrong to be a shoe salesman?

The bestiality comment is completely unnecessary, and instead of apologizing for it, maybe you should just not post it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Your definition of marriage is a male and a female. My definition (and many others') is the union of two people who love each other.

Out of curiosity (and forgive me if this has been addressed previously) but what difference, if any, do you see between marraige and civil union?

 

[Magic Man]

Out of curiosity (and forgive me if this has been addressed previously) but what difference, if any, do you see between marraige and civil union?

A couple of things, the main one being the legal rights involved. The only civil union in America that gives equal rights as a marriage is the Californian domestic partnership, but even that only holds up in California.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

A couple of things, the main one being the legal rights involved. The only civil union in America that gives equal rights as a marriage is the Californian domestic partnership, but even that only holds up in California.

Perhaps yet another thread ...

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Does the no response to my idea mean that I have found the one legitimate reason which no-one can answer?

 

[Theocan]

If everybody was a celebate priest there would be no people either... the procreation argument is the least logical of them all.

 

[Magic Man]

Perhaps yet another thread ...

I'm not sure I follow. Is that something you want to discuss in another thread?

 

[gnomon]

Does the no response to my idea mean that I have found the one legitimate reason which no-one can answer?

Well, maybe the whole yin/yang angle as non-religious could up for debate.

Of course, I would also insert the issue of sexual polymorphism into the argument and how one would determine if an XY chromosomal female is yin or yang.

I will give you this. It's definitely different.