Can Anyone Solve God’s Garden of Eden Parable?

[Curious George]

As I pointed out in another thread, at the moment when Eve ate the apple she had no knowledge of good and evil, hence she was incapable of forming an intention to do wrong, hence she was incapable of sin.

But disobedience doesn't come into it. Yahweh told A&E not to eat from that tree BECAUSE if they did, they'd die the same day. He gives no other reason. There was nothing for Eve to disobey.

And Yahweh wasn't angry because they ate the fruit. He says out loud (Genesis 4:22) that he threw them out of the Garden 'lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.'

Which is the million dollar question imo. Why now that man had become like them would one want to prevent them from living forever as well?

 

[Magus]

I have a theory, it is about adultery and the unnamed mother of King David.

I do find it rather odd that a significant biblical figure such as King David would have a unnamed mother, she is only mentioned in Psalm 51:5 & 69:8

Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psalm 69:8 I am become a stranger (bastrd child) unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

How this relates to Story of Eve relates, the snake in the garden, In the Hebrew is named Nahash , so happen to be the name of a King during the time of David and it appears that the unnamed mother committed adultery with King Nahash, hence David' half-sisters, Zeruiah and Abigail. Psalm 69:8 also suggests David was an the illegitimate son of Jesse, thus possible the son of Nahash ( the Serpent )

It seems, that the sin of the unnamed mother of David is the reason why David' mother is absent and that Sin inspired the Story of Eve.

 

[Muffled]

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“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”--The Book of Genesis (Original Sin), King James Bible.

If, a Desire for Knowledge is Good, Children are not a Curse, and God Blessing Her Favorite Creation with Conception and 'The Mother of All Living' Delivering All God’s Children--Is why God Created Humans in the First Place---Why do some Christians Believe Eve’s Desire for God’s Wisdom was a Sin?---Especially when Eve Proved to God, She could Read and Reason, it was not?

Thanks, for the Correction George.

I believe it is not a parable. It certainly does not state that it is and reads as narrative of what happened as does Gen 1.

I believe the sin was disobedience of God and her husband.

I believe it is easy to get confused about the text and that includes the Apostle Paul who many hang their hat on for this.

 

[Muffled]

Who said they all believe that today? The ones I talk to seem a lot smarter than that

I am not sure intelligence doesn't cause more problems. I believe my pastor has a doctorate but still believes in original sin.

 

[Muffled]

What I've always found interesting about Michelangelo's painting is the sexually suggestive positioning of Adam and Eve to each other, and the fact that they had bellybuttons.

Just saying.

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I believe that is called artistic license. There was a period when artists went for realism but that is rare throughout history.

 

[Skwim]

I believe that is called artistic license. There was a period when artists went for realism but that is rare throughout history.

Actually, realism was thee mode of expression right up until the advent of impressionism in the later part of the 1800's; such as Manet's Luncheon on the Grass. (1862+)

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(Makes one wonder just what the heck was going on at this luncheon. Hmmmmmm!)

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[blü 2]

I believe the sin was disobedience of God and her husband.

Nice!

 

[blü 2]

I am not sure intelligence doesn't cause more problems. I believe my pastor has a doctorate but still believes in original sin.

Depends where he got it.

Have you ever read >Kent Hovind's doctoral thesis< for Patriot University? It's humiliatingly awful, kindergarten stuff.

 

[Thief]

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“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”--The Book of Genesis (Original Sin), King James Bible.

If, a Desire for Knowledge is Good, Children are not a Curse, and God Blessing Her Favorite Creation with Conception and 'The Mother of All Living' Delivering All God’s Children--Is why God Created Humans in the First Place---Why do some Christians Believe Eve’s Desire for God’s Wisdom was a Sin?---Especially when Eve Proved to God, She could Read and Reason, it was not?

see if you can any of my recent post work

 

[Thief]

What I've always found interesting about Michelangelo's painting is the sexually suggestive positioning of Adam and Eve to each other, and the fact that they had bellybuttons.

Just saying.

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if the story is held to quote.....Eve did not have a navel

So Adam was given his twin sister (a clone) ...for a bride

 

[Curious George]

Actually, realism was thee mode of expression right up until the advent of impressionism in the later part of the 1800's; such as Manet's Luncheon on the Grass. (1862+)

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(Makes one wonder just what the heck was going on at this luncheon. Hmmmmmm!)

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If you are saying what I think you are saying, this is wrong.

 

[Skwim]

If you are saying what I think you are saying, this is wrong.

What do you think I'm saying?

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[Curious George]

What do you think I'm saying?

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That prior to impressionism all art was realism.

That Michelangelo was a realist.

 

[Thief]

back to topic?

so.....the acquisition of knowledge...to know good from evil.....
is sinful?

such acquisition is offensive in the eyes of God?

I think not

you actually think so?.....God wanted us to be ignorant
and should we do evil in ignorance.....that's ok

and we should have continued on this earth like unto any other animal?

 

[blü 2]

What do you think I'm saying?.

I think he thinks you know what he thinks you're saying.

 

[Muffled]

Depends where he got it.

Have you ever read >Kent Hovind's doctoral thesis< for Patriot University? It's humiliatingly awful, kindergarten stuff.

I have never read a doctoral thesis. I was under the impression that those had to be researched and sources provided.

I am not sure where but I believe it was secular enough so that he had to contend with a lot of worldly views. His doctorate is in Education not Divinity.

I believe I have different views from Dallas Theological Seminary and Pensacola College.

 

[Muffled]

if the story is held to quote.....Eve did not have a navel

So Adam was given his twin sister (a clone) ...for a bride[/QUOTE]

I believe that makes a lot of sense. If it were God's purpose to preserve this race then a person of a different race would not do that.

 

[The magical volleyball]

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“How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? And the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?” ---Proverbs, 1:22, The King James Book of Life and Knowledge.

You misunderstood the Book of Genesis Parable. God (the Author) took the shape of the Serpent to test Humans ability to reason and make wise decisions. Eve’s desire for knowledge and passing God’s test was a demonstration of Her reasoning and intelligence. Thinking it was a Sin and that children and marriage are God’s curse is foolishness.

If, God asked us to murder another person or destroy another country or eat our own children, and we blindly obeyed God and did it; would not only prove that we have learned nothing, and that we are incapable of reasoning or making our own decisions; but it is also God’s proof that the difference between Good and Evil is Man; who is Evil and Ignorant. His misinterpretation of Ancient Scripture explains the current status of Man today. The exact curse of ignorance God prophesized in Genesis and Jesus forgave in the New Test-ament. Now, 2,000 years later look at what Man has become? He pretends that He believes in God and that He understands God’s Wisdom, but in reality, He knows nothing at all. He is a hopeless foolish atheist.

In conclusion, to think that Man does not have to prove to God that He is Good and not foolish; is in my opinion, Mankind’s greatest Sin.

So what your saying is that God is also the devil. God gives man the strength to overcome temptation, but also manufactures temptations to test that strength. it is then up to humans to decide if when god says to do something or Not do something if he means it or if he is just testing you. Does this mean there are no objective morals and all morals are subjective to whatever one person decides is right or wrong?

 

[cbullion]

I have a theory, it is about adultery and the unnamed mother of King David.

I do find it rather odd that a significant biblical figure such as King David would have a unnamed mother, she is only mentioned in Psalm 51:5 & 69:8

Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psalm 69:8 I am become a stranger (bastrd child) unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

How this relates to Story of Eve relates, the snake in the garden, In the Hebrew is named Nahash , so happen to be the name of a King during the time of David and it appears that the unnamed mother committed adultery with King Nahash, hence David' half-sisters, Zeruiah and Abigail. Psalm 69:8 also suggests David was an the illegitimate son of Jesse, thus possible the son of Nahash ( the Serpent )

It seems, that the sin of the unnamed mother of David is the reason why David' mother is absent and that Sin inspired the Story of Eve.

("Pain for Pain", for Seven Years, that means we continue INRI, until euthanasia takes globally. You may not be allowed to kill, but you are allowed to suffer, we will following in the footsteps of King David, God's Confirmation of the Covenant with David was and is at present, "Pain for Pain", this is necessary in understand the context of the transition)

sichere IT - guarded IT

(70 Years, 1947 Roswell, 1989 UFO Guardian (INRI from Pope John Paul II and his father ... Vietnam, 1968, Nugyen Van Lem ... I see nothing here from God about 70 and 7 Years, but we'll see in a few days anyway)

I SAMUEL 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
I SAMUEL 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou [art] Saul.

INRI (I*/Rape/Murder) ... King David's Mother is called the Witch of Endor, the gospel uses the parallel to answer the question. Saul wanted to continue his pleasure with David's body and when he couldn't he went after his relatives. This has happened many times in history. Also true, they usually are killed off or kill themselves or are killed that is apart of the process of INRI (its a form of assisted suicide).

Garden of Eden Parable, Three Testaments
1. Cherubim was given the Flaming Sword (garden snake is risen)
2. Jesus Fasted 40 Days
3. "Two Witnesses" Dead Wound is Healed

(One small public safety notice, http://i.imgur.com/UiogWZu.png, the pleasure and goal of INRI, is assisted suicide, the goal and intend of it, is not to proclaim authority, or to unite the body of believers, it is simply suicide.............Jesus had already fasted 40 days, and was garden of Gethsemane, so its impossible to attribute the crucifixion to the action of man, however, they completed their accusation against god, and cutting themselves off spiritually) (Right now, emphasis is on Genetic Dan and Aaron's not having a legal right to live, so INRI has more potency in the last few generations) Love and Blessings. (because of their need to end their own lives, you will find that these people, are nothing less then my allies, to die dumb and blind globally, so you won't win a fight against them or me, or against me, nor will any movement against them amount to anything because of your sin, we have to see what god decides to do, and what becomes necessary....................sin does not take precedence in the gospel's law, the action of adam and eve had no value with God, not today, and not during creation, nor at any point under the gospels' law, we'll settle this problem of authority in a few days around 8/21)

 

[DavidFirth]

You guys sure do draw lots of conclusions from assumed premises of a simple story of Man's first sin.