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Can anyone tell me who Jesus really was?

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davidalley78

Peace Apostolic Community
Colossians 1:15-20 (NLT)

15Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,[a]
16 for through him God created everything
in the heavenly realms and on earth.
He made the things we can see
and the things we can’t see—
such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world.
Everything was created through him and for him.
17 He existed before anything else,
and he holds all creation together.
18 Christ is also the head of the church,
which is his body.
He is the beginning,
supreme over all who rise from the dead.
So he is first in everything.
19 For God in all his fullness
was pleased to live in Christ,
20 and through him God reconciled
everything to himself.
He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth
by means of Christ’s blood on the cross.
 
Bob Dixon

Bob Dixon

>implying
No.

Any image we have of Jesus is invariably tainted by other peoples' point of view.

Don't trust Paul, he never even MET Jesus.
 
Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
Christ was the incarnation of the First-made soul, the highest of the "Angels" (higher than Michael), and was sent as the prophecied Guilt Offering and Moshiach to reform the House of Israel (whom he came alone for) into complete Torah observance and obedience to the Will of the Father and to gather the remnants of the righteous Jews to bring them away from the impending destruction of Jerusalem at the time, and to lead them through the age of Tribulation to follow afterward. He did not abolish the Law or say that it was no longer binding, neither was he G-d incarnate.

Some of the Apocryphal texts like the Assumption of Moses (which Jude may have referenced) may be what Jesus refers to when he says "Moses spoke about me".
 
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Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
davidalley78 said:
Colossians 1:15-20 (NLT)

15Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,[a]
16 for through him God created everything
in the heavenly realms and on earth.
He made the things we can see
and the things we can’t see—
such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world.
Everything was created through him and for him.
17 He existed before anything else,
and he holds all creation together.
18 Christ is also the head of the church,
which is his body.
He is the beginning,
supreme over all who rise from the dead.
So he is first in everything.
19 For God in all his fullness
was pleased to live in Christ,
20 and through him God reconciled
everything to himself.
He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth
by means of Christ’s blood on the cross.
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I'm not sure what kind of an answer you're looking for. It looks to me like what you posted pretty much says it all.
 
kepha31

kepha31

Active Member
Paul saw the risen Lord on the road to Damascus.

Acts 9:3 As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” 5And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, 6but get up and enter the city, and it will be told you what you must do.” 7The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. 8Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing; and leading him by the hand, they brought him into Damascus. 9And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
 
blackout

blackout

Violet.
The Jesus that exists today, in the minds of men
never existed. (beyond the minds of men)


As well, the Jesus that exists today in the minds of many men,
has largely to with the Jesus that once existed in the mind of a Paul.
eh.
 
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Awoon

Well-Known Member
Jesus was a homeless preacher. Probably not the oldest son of Joseph and Mary. Had an enlightened experience at a young age. Searched for a comparison of the experience. Came to John the B preaching an apocalyptic soon to appear "kingdom of God.". Realized Johns' teaching had merit. Went to the dessert to meditate on Johns' teaching. Realized that teaching of overthrow (apocolyptic) was not the way for humankind to get along. Taught peace, forgiveness and reconciliation between humans.

For his Gods' council (kingdom) to be understood.
 
blackout

blackout

Violet.
UltraViolet said:
The Jesus that exists today, in the minds of men
never existed. (beyond the minds of men)


As well, the Jesus that exists today in the minds of many men,
has largely to with the Jesus that once existed in the mind of a Paul.
eh.
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So the answer to the OP question is,
No. No one can tell you who Jesus really was.
(or even if an actual man ever backed the Iconic Figure at all)
Obviously none of us were there when he was said to have walked his 33 years
on the earth, as a man.
Including 'Paul'.
In Real Life, Paul never knew Jesus.

Anyone can say they met Jesus in the spirit.
 
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Shermana

Shermana

Heretic
When Paul saw Jesus, did his traveling companions see the light but hear nothing, or heard it but saw nothing? (Reference: Contradiction in Paul's story).
 
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Jethro

Member
Jesus of Nazareth was Immanuel (God with us, Matthew 1:23), that is, God manifest in human flesh (Philippians 2:5-8; 1 Timothy 3:16). Before Jesus became man, He was the pre-incarnate Son of God who was forever with His Father (John 1:1-2; Colossians 1:17); the One whom Isaiah saw seated upon the throne of Glory, even Yahweh and Adonai (Isaiah 6:1-8, cf John 12:38-41); the One whom spoke to Moses on Mount Sanai (Jn. 8:58). As the pre-incarnate Son of God, Jesus was co-creator (Jn. 1:3; Col. 1:16; Hebrews 1:2), co-sustainer (Jn. 1:4; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3), sovereign (Col. 1:18-19). Jesus' one purpose in coming to this world was to save His people from their sins (Matt. 1:21). Jesus did not come to only die for the people of Israel, but also for Gentiles. For John the Baptist clearly called Jesus, "the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" (Jn. 1:29&35). Also, Jesus clearly told His Jewish disciples that He had other sheep (Gentiles Jn. 10:16) that He would bring into God's kingdom of light and salvation.
 
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Jethro

Member
UltraViolet said:
So the answer to the OP question is,
No. No one can tell you who Jesus really was.
(or even if an actual man ever backed the Iconic Figure at all)
Obviously none of us were there when he was said to have walked his 33 years
on the earth, as a man.
Including 'Paul'.
In Real Life, Paul never knew Jesus.

Anyone can say they met Jesus in the spirit.
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You obviously don't know your ancient history. For there is far more historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth walked the dusty streets of Galilee and Israel than there is of Julias Caesar.
 
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Jethro

Member
Shermana said:
When Paul saw Jesus, did his traveling companions see the light but hear nothing, or heard it but saw nothing? (Reference: Contradiction in Paul's story).
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In Acts 9:7, we find that Paul's (Saul's) companions heard the sound of Jesus speaking, but did not see His form. In Acts 22:9, Paul stated that his companions saw the light (the glory of Christ and not His form), and that they heard His voice but didn't know what He was saying to them. And in Acts 26:13, Paul stated that he and all his companions saw the light (and not Christ's form), they all fell to the ground, but that he heard the voice of Christ. Therefore, there is clearly no contradiction. One has to simply take Scripture in its context.
 
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Jethro

Member
Awoon said:
Jesus was a homeless preacher. Probably not the oldest son of Joseph and Mary. Had an enlightened experience at a young age. Searched for a comparison of the experience. Came to John the B preaching an apocalyptic soon to appear "kingdom of God.". Realized Johns' teaching had merit. Went to the dessert to meditate on Johns' teaching. Realized that teaching of overthrow (apocolyptic) was not the way for humankind to get along. Taught peace, forgiveness and reconciliation between humans.

For his Gods' council (kingdom) to be understood.
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Jesus indeed was a homless preacher, but this was by choice. For His mission was to preach that God's kingdom was near, was at hand, and was among you, for the King of that kingdom was among them. Jesus was indeed the firstborn of Mary, for she was a virgin. Obviosly you have been reading fictional books like the Davinci Code and the like, rather than the Bible. Jesus had more than an elightened experience, for He was God in human flesh (Matthew 1:23; 1 Timothy 3:16). Jesus came to John the Baptist not to learn from him, but to be baptized by him, and annointed by God His Father, so He could start His ministry and mission. Jesus went into the desert to be tempted by Satan, and not to meditate on John's teaching. For if He was going to save His people from their sins (Matt. 1:21), then is was essential that He resist the temptations of the devil and remain sinless. After Jesus' wilderness experience, He started His ministry and mission, preaching "the good news to the poor... proclaiming freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour" (Luke 4:18-19). This of course involved Jesus physically healing people, as well as spiritually healing their souls. For many people were brought out of the kingdom of Satan and darkness and into God's kingdom of light and truth. I pray the same for you. Also, Jesus spoke the most wonderful words of love, peace and hope immaginable.
 
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