Can Armageddon Be Avoided?

[Midnight Pete]

Even the book of Revelations only destroy's the earth. Maybe leaving this planet is a way to beat god.

By "beat God" do you mean to say "escape His presence?" Because that's impossible.

 

[bobhikes]

By "beat God" do you mean to say "escape His presence?" Because that's impossible.

Actually I meant escape his judgement at least for the earth. What ever planet you go to may have there own judgement date. You could keep putting it off until you get to the one where the universe is destroyed.

It actually makes a kinda sense. If there is other life god may have created it at different times and they may have different end dates. It is clear the bible refers to earth, the sun, the moon and the stars as separate creations.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Actually I meant escape his judgement at least for the earth. What ever planet you go to may have there own judgement date. You could keep putting it off until you get to the one where the universe is destroyed.

It actually makes a kinda sense. If there is other life god may have created it at different times and they may have different end dates. It is clear the bible refers to earth, the sun, the moon and the stars as separate creations.

Judgement may not be tied to a particular planet, but God does know when each star will go supernova just as He knows the number of hairs on each of our heads.

 

[Meow Mix]

Didn't God already show displeasure at people who were attempting to build a very tall tower -- one Tower of Babel?

Wonder why God didn't seem to mind Neil Armstrong, but certainly seemed to care about a mud pyramid thingy...

 

[rusra02]

So looking at this from an Abrahamic standpoint (please chime in with other religions if it can relate) Armageddon is happening on Earth. The "Earth" is mentioned several times for the reconnaissance point of "The Final Battle" and the end of days.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the Earth even unto the other end of the Earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried.” Jeremiah 25:33. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“The Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity: the Earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” Isaiah 26:21[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“A noise shall come even to the ends of the Earth; for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, He will plead with all flesh; He will give them that are wicked to the sword.” Jeremiah 25:31.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Behold, the Lord maketh the Earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.” “The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.” “Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the Earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the Earth are burned.” Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6.[/FONT]​

And the list goes on in both Islam and Christianity, however, I haven't looked into others so please chime in if you havem.

So, I have 2 questions:

1. If Earth as a whole or many of its people used space travel to find another planet to inhabit, would those people still see the signs or any bit of the Armageddon? Would they still be involved? If the Earth were destroyed, would they still live peacefully on their new planet uninterrupted? I don't really see an explanation from either religions. (ok this is more than 1 question)

2. Is the interpretation of the word "Earth" in both books mean the planet Earth?

Surely since these books are considered the word of God that there would be something about what happens to the people that live on another planet, right?

Armegeddon is God's war to end the unrighteous rulership of men, and deliver his people. Using symbols of beasts to represent human rule, Revelation 19:19-21 describes God's Son and his angels destroying the governments and armies of this world. "And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army. And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who render worship to its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulphur. But the rest were killed off with the long sword of the one seated on the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth. And all the birds were filled from the fleshy parts of them."
The end of this world will not mean the end of the Earth. To the contrary, it will cleanse the earth. 2 Peter 3:5-7 says "For, according to [scoffers] wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; and by those [means] the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water. But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men." Ungodly human society (the earth) under corrupt governments (heavans) will be destroyed. Those who serve God and do his will can survive and live forever on an earth ruled by God's kingdom in the hands of his Son, Jesus. As for the righteous, they will possess the earth, and find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. (Psalm 37:10,11)

 

[.lava]

So looking at this from an Abrahamic standpoint (please chime in with other religions if it can relate) Armageddon is happening on Earth. The "Earth" is mentioned several times for the reconnaissance point of "The Final Battle" and the end of days.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the Earth even unto the other end of the Earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried.” Jeremiah 25:33. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“The Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity: the Earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” Isaiah 26:21[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] “A noise shall come even to the ends of the Earth; for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, He will plead with all flesh; He will give them that are wicked to the sword.” Jeremiah 25:31.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Behold, the Lord maketh the Earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.” “The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.” “Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the Earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the Earth are burned.” Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6.[/FONT]
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And the list goes on in both Islam and Christianity, however, I haven't looked into others so please chime in if you havem.

So, I have 2 questions:

1. If Earth as a whole or many of its people used space travel to find another planet to inhabit, would those people still see the signs or any bit of the Armageddon? Would they still be involved? If the Earth were destroyed, would they still live peacefully on their new planet uninterrupted? I don't really see an explanation from either religions. (ok this is more than 1 question)

2. Is the interpretation of the word "Earth" in both books mean the planet Earth?

Surely since these books are considered the word of God that there would be something about what happens to the people that live on another planet, right?

if it could be avoided then it would not be the final war. according to what i've heard, civilizations on earth ended many times. but this war does not refer to end of civilizations. it refers to death of the planet and probably our solar system. everything has a life time. nothing lasts forever. solar systems die as well when their time is up

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[crimsonlung]

if it could be avoided then it would not be the final war. according to what i've heard, civilizations on earth ended many times. but this war does not refer to end of civilizations. it refers to death of the planet and probably our solar system. everything has a life time. nothing lasts forever. solar systems die as well when their time is up

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But, according to Islam, a big war rages between "believers" and "non-believers," on "earth." So if I was on planet Venus, could I avoid this?

 

[Diederick]

But, according to Islam, a big war rages between "believers" and "non-believers," on "earth." So if I was on planet Venus, could I avoid this?

I don't think you would avoid the Rapture if you were living on Venus together with people who uphold an Abrahamic religious belief.

 

[Meow Mix]

I don't think you would avoid the Rapture if you were living on Venus together with people who uphold an Abrahamic religious belief.

Aha! So the atheists and non-Abrahamics just need to say "Oh no no, you stay here... um, see ya!"

 

[Diederick]

Aha! So the atheists and non-Abrahamics just need to say "Oh no no, you stay here... um, see ya!"

Dude, it's THEIR religion that says we're all gonna die! And I don't feel like being anywhere near them when Jesus returns, or whatever form the Endtimes would take.

We'll be on Venus when they're throwing their Great Conjunction party.

 

[Blackdog22]

Didn't God already show displeasure at people who were attempting to build a very tall tower -- one Tower of Babel?

Wonder why God didn't seem to mind Neil Armstrong, but certainly seemed to care about a mud pyramid thingy...

This is something I was going to mention. Awesome people think alike. What exactly is God up too...... Maybe he did mushrooms and became a shy shizophrenic during the 20s BC.

 

[LuisDantas]

I agree, do you think that the end will come before we make it to another planet?

IMO that is a given. Space travel is basically by definition too resource-consuming to ever be a significant factor in the survival of humanity. There is a reason why NASA's operations have been so dramatically scaled down through the decades. Earth may well survive humanity (or not), but I very much doubt humanity will survive Earth.

 

[Diederick]

What exactly is God up too...... Maybe he did mushrooms and became a shy shizophrenic during the 20s BC.

This seems not unlikely. Especially since we haven't really heard from him for ages, except for some freak-appearances on burnt toasties and in cappuccino.

Earth may well survive humanity (or not), but I very much doubt humanity will survive Earth.

Agreed. A very humbling and slightly depressing notion.

 

[Midnight Pete]

I was going to point out that Heaven could mean the sky/universe at large, but then the rest of the Bible would imply that God is a space alien.

No, an alien is a creature. God is not a creature.

 

[.lava]

But, according to Islam, a big war rages between "believers" and "non-believers," on "earth." So if I was on planet Venus, could I avoid this?

i assume you could..

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[Man of Faith]

If there are any humans in any part of the universe, they will be part of the end times.

Revelation 21 1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

 

[.lava]

If there are any humans in any part of the universe, they will be part of the end times.

Revelation 21 1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

yes. but i think this final war is not the same thing. end comes with occurance of gog and magog and their existence would also cause another war and they would kill all the believers. after that the end would come. well, at least that's how i know it. this Armageddon thing is a little before that. it is the final war where believers and haters of God unite and go for war and believers win. until apperiance of gog and magog, there would be peaceful time on Earth..

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[Man of Faith]

Didn't God already show displeasure at people who were attempting to build a very tall tower -- one Tower of Babel?

Wonder why God didn't seem to mind Neil Armstrong, but certainly seemed to care about a mud pyramid thingy...

What was the purpose of the tower of Bable as compared to going to the moon, or exploring space? God looks at purposes and inner thoughts.

What happend was God saw that with one tongue and one race of people we would be able to do more, meaning we could do more prideful things, that is when he confused the languages and scattered the peoples to restrain us.

 

[Midnight Pete]

But, according to Islam, a big war rages between "believers" and "non-believers," on "earth." So if I was on planet Venus, could I avoid this?

Venus is totally hostile to life as we know it.

 

[Man of Faith]

yes. but i think this final war is not the same thing. end comes with occurance of gog and magog and their existence would also cause another war and they would kill all the believers. after that the end would come. well, at least that's how i know it. this Armageddon thing is a little before that. it is the final war where believers and haters of God unite and go for war and believers win. until apperiance of gog and magog, there would be peaceful time on Earth..

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Below is a Biblical end times timeline. It has Armagaddon, satan chained for 1,000 years when Christ will reign and there will be peace on earth, then Satan loosed again, then the end of time where the heavens and earth will be destroyed by fire and new ones created where the Christians only will live forever, eating grapes and petting snakes.

Timeline for Revelation