Can Atheists Call Life A Miracle?

[Jimmy]

Personally, I believe all of existence is a miracle. Is it possible for one to believe this if they don’t think a God is responsible for it? Id have to say no. I think that persons description of all of existence would come from a science book. They may say life is great but they couldn’t call it a miracle.

 

[Revoltingest]

I could say it.
But I wouldn't.

 

[ChristineM]

Personally, I believe all of existence is a miracle. Is it possible for one to believe this if they don’t think a God is responsible for it? Id have to say no. I think that persons description of all of existence would come from a science book. They may say life is great but they couldn’t call it a miracle.

Life is a sequence of events beginning with the BB (or whatever), made possible by entropy and continued by evolution.
Miracle... No,
But glad it happened

 

[osgart]

I'm atheist, but life is either a miracle or a fundamental part of existence. It's not a hum drum physical phenomenon. It's actually quite peculiar in a mindless physical world.

A particular arrangement of molecules and atoms is not what life is. Evident by its properties, life is clearly about something. It's no mash up. Existence is clearly trying to do something. The brain is the bridge from the mental to the physical.

Memory goes hand in hand with reason and understanding. Reason and understanding go hand in hand with will to action. Character traits develope for life to have impressions, interests, loves, hates, and other senses about things. It's nearly fit together life is. Never said it was anything near perfect though.

 

[Revoltingest]

Life is a sequence of events beginning with the BB (or whatever), made possible by entropy and continued by evolution.
Miracle... No,
But glad it happened

Why single out entropy from all of the many
physical laws? I vote for giving gravity a lot
of credit.

 

[LuisDantas]

Personally, I believe all of existence is a miracle. Is it possible for one to believe this if they don’t think a God is responsible for it? Id have to say no.

It is not impossible for someone to use the word "miracle" without implying divine intervention.

I won't, but maybe someone else will.

I think that persons description of all of existence would come from a science book.

There is more to life besides god-belief and science.

They may say life is great but they couldn’t call it a miracle.

We can. But there is no point.

 

[ChristineM]

Why single out entropy from all of the many
physical laws? I vote for giving gravity a lot
of credit.

Without entropy abiogenesis couldn't have occurred,

Of course, without gravity whatever was needed to form life couldn't have got together, but without entropy that whatever couldn't have formed

 

[PureX]

Personally, I believe all of existence is a miracle.

Nothing would be the perfectly logical and eternal (default) state. So for anything to actually exist, would indeed require a "miracle" (... somethingness from nothingness).

Is it possible for one to believe this if they don’t think a God is responsible for it?

Logically, probably not.

They may say life is great but they couldn’t call it a miracle.

Not logically, no.

 

[Revoltingest]

Without entropy abiogenesis couldn't have occurred,

Why?

Of course, without gravity whatever was needed to form life couldn't have got together, but without entropy that whatever couldn't have formed

Is there any physical law that could've
been dispensed with, yet still allow life?

 

[ChristineM]

Why?

There is much about it, here are a couple of papers

[0907.0042] Thermodynamic Origin of Life

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235725406_Entropy_Production_and_the_Origin_of_Life
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Is there any physical law that could've
been dispensed with, yet still allow life?

I doubt it

 

[Jimmy]

Nothing would be the perfectly logical and eternal (default) state. So for anything to actually exist, would indeed require a "miracle" (... somethingness from nothingness).

Logically, probably not.

Not logically, no.

Well I think most atheists view all of existence as having always been here.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is much about it, here are a couple of papers

[0907.0042] Thermodynamic Origin of Life

The link appears to only introduce the ide of entropy
to explain life's origins. I don't see where it adds any
understanding. Life's origins depend upon every law
of thermodynamics....& other physical laws. And saying
that life generates is odd, given that life is an open
system, ie, that energy & matter continually flow
thru it, so entropy needn't increase for a life form.
It states that life processes are irreversible. Well, pretty
much everything is irreversible....it's why we have time.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235725406_Entropy_Production_and_the_Origin_of_Life

Entropy seems to have become a very fashionable
thing to cite...as though life is all about that &
only that. Quantum mechanics, chemistry, physics
& other "ics" I'm not thinking of are all equally
necessary & useful to explain life.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Personally, I believe all of existence is a miracle. Is it possible for one to believe this if they don’t think a God is responsible for it? Id have to say no. I think that persons description of all of existence would come from a science book. They may say life is great but they couldn’t call it a miracle.

I think life is awe inspiring, but I don't consider it a miracle by any means of the term.

 

[Jimmy]

I think life is awe inspiring, but I don't consider it a miracle by any means of the term.

Right. Atheists wouldn’t.

 

[ppp]

Right. Atheists wouldn’t.

Is that all you've got?

 

[Jimmy]

Is that all you've got?

That’s all she wrote

 

[Madsaac]

Is it possible for one to believe this if they don’t think a God is responsible for it?

People who believe god is responsible for it, also often believe in this, which is no good, wouldn't you agree?

The Christian right has advanced socially conservative positions on issues such as creationism in public education,[20] school prayer,[21] temperance,[22] Christian nationalism,[23] Christian Zionism,[2] and Sunday Sabbatarianism,[24] as well as opposition to biological evolution,[20] embryonic stem cell research,[25] LGBT rights,[27] comprehensive sex education,[28][29] abortion, euthanasia,[31] use of drugs,[2] and pornography.[32] Although the term Christian right is most commonly associated with politics in the United States,[2] similar Christian conservative groups can be found in the political cultures of other Christian-majority countries.[33]

This is from Christian right - Wikipedia.

 

[Jimmy]

People who believe god is responsible for it, also often believe in this, which is no good, wouldn't you agree?

The Christian right has advanced socially conservative positions on issues such as creationism in public education,[20] school prayer,[21] temperance,[22] Christian nationalism,[23] Christian Zionism,[2] and Sunday Sabbatarianism,[24] as well as opposition to biological evolution,[20] embryonic stem cell research,[25] LGBT rights,[27] comprehensive sex education,[28][29] abortion, euthanasia,[31] use of drugs,[2] and pornography.[32] Although the term Christian right is most commonly associated with politics in the United States,[2] similar Christian conservative groups can be found in the political cultures of other Christian-majority countries.[33]

This is from Christian right - Wikipedia.

Idk, start a thread and find out.

 

[Jimmy]

People who believe god is responsible for it, also often believe in this, which is no good, wouldn't you agree?

The Christian right has advanced socially conservative positions on issues such as creationism in public education,[20] school prayer,[21] temperance,[22] Christian nationalism,[23] Christian Zionism,[2] and Sunday Sabbatarianism,[24] as well as opposition to biological evolution,[20] embryonic stem cell research,[25] LGBT rights,[27] comprehensive sex education,[28][29] abortion, euthanasia,[31] use of drugs,[2] and pornography.[32] Although the term Christian right is most commonly associated with politics in the United States,[2] similar Christian conservative groups can be found in the political cultures of other Christian-majority countries.[33]

This is from Christian right - Wikipedia.

Wouldn’t you know this post was your 666th. Haha

 

[Madsaac]

Idk, start a thread and find out.

What about you, do you think this stuff is no good?