Can Christianity move beyond its inherent homophobia?

[columbus]

It's not the world that is changing, It's the democratic party,

Nonsense. Not everyone shares your religious views of partisan politics.
One of the things I have noticed in my several decades here in the USA is the shift in Christian's ethics. Away from the primitive beliefs of ancient people and towards the more sophisticated ethics of modern beliefs.
Sometimes the intellectual contortions that they go through to retrofit their beliefs into Scripture are amusing to me, like the women's rights and racial equality and such that just can't be found in the Bible.
Abortion is another one. There is no Scriptural reason to condemn feticide, if the parents (especially the father) want to terminate a pregnancy.

It's not the Democratic party, it's the people who identify as Christian that are changing.
Tom

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Free will and judgment permits God to create a paradise where the wicked have already proven what they are, and now, they are dead (will be dead).

Translation: God likes it best when He creates snowflakes who can't handle nonconformity. Got it.

A hungry person eats. A full person doesn't. It is suffering that makes us do stuff at all.

As Christ said, he isn't judging anybody, their own words have already judged them.

That's why I try to be kind to everyone as much as humanly possible. If we are judged how we judge, it's best not to shoot myself in the foot, right?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Nonsense. Not everyone shares your religious views of partisan politics.
One of the things I have noticed in my several decades here in the USA is the shift in Christian's ethics. Away from the primitive beliefs of ancient people and towards the more sophisticated ethics of modern beliefs.
Sometimes the intellectual contortions that they go through to retrofit their beliefs into Scripture are amusing to me, like the women's rights and racial equality and such that just can't be found in the Bible.
Abortion is another one. There is no Scriptural reason to condemn feticide, if the parents (especially the father) want to terminate a pregnancy.

It's not the Democratic party, it's the people who identify as Christian that are changing.
Tom

Are you freaking kidding me, The democratic party is not what it use to be.

Back in 1961 Democrate President JFK said this, "Ask not what your country can do for you, But ask what you can do for your Country"
To day Democrates are giving out Welfare to anyone, Obama himself giving hand outs to Illegal immigrants and Muslims and anyone else who wanted free hand outs from the Government.

So tell me is this not a change from what Democrate President JFK said and believed. Even democrates Presidents that were before Democrate President JFK that no one will have a free ride from the Government.
But to day the democratic party wants to give out free rides to anyone, But the catch is, you have to vote for the Democratic party's candidate. To get those free rides.
Which democrate President's of yrs back were against in giving out free rides from the Government.

The only Problem that was with Christians is that they set back and let the Government democrates dictate to them.

Until this last election Christians stood up and said No more we have had enough of you democrates dictatorship style of Government.

By the way, since I was 21 yrs of age, I voted democrate and a strong democrate supporter, Until I woke up and started to notice that democratic party is not for anyone, Except themselves.

We had this democrate governor Jennifer granholm yrs back in Michigan, Being interviewed, she made this statement, right on T.V, which I couldn't believe that she would say such a thing or even consider to say such a thing as she did.

Here's what she said, As she was in the talking about the American people, "You don't tell me what to do, I tell you"
Now if I may ask, What's up with all that?

No lady you don't tell us, We tell You lady.
That's why you were voted into office.

See it's bone heads democrates like this, is why President Donald Trump got elected into office.
I am not for sale nor is my vote, When the democratic party has something they want to give out, to get this you have to vote for us, Well as for me, You can take whatever you have to offer and shove it up your buts. My vote is not for sale.and I will not take being bribed in No way nor will I vote for anyone who trys to bribe me for my vote.

To answer the thread, "can christianity move Beyond it's inherent of homophobia.

The question now is, Can homosexualls, Atheists, Liberal democrates, move Beyond it's inherent of Christianphobia?

 

[SinSaber]

That's because, as the authors opine, people weren't believing them. It's like when prophets on the internet get mad that people aren't believing THEM.


A badly written text is a badly written text. I'm sorry your God can't write anything better than inconsistent characterizations, anachronistic plots and settings, grossly immoral plots and laws, and ADHD attention to detail.


Christians kill gays. Do gays kill Christians?


If God told you Moses and Paul were incorrect, Whose words would you prefer? Be honest.


You can think whatever you want. You just can't legislate it.


Are you implying Jesus got on with his ... wait, he DID impregnate her with himself so ...?

No, I'm just saying people need to get off my, and other people's, back who have this belief. I'm not implying anything. I'm countering his implication.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Homosexuality is a sin. That will never change, the Bible cannot be changed.

We love and welcome all but we will never accept sin nor will we ever give sin our approval since God hates sin.

Homosexuality is a sin for no other reason than that ignorant human beings didn't understand why everybody was not just the same as everybody else. Learning is -- for some, possibly not the religulous -- something to be cherished and to actually incorporate into your thinking. If the Bible is the only possible truth about anything, however, then you'll still need a brass snake to cure snake-bite -- not anti-venin, which the Bible knew nothing about.

And by the way, stoning your non-virgin daughter and owning the black guy next door would also be quite permissible. That's what the Bible says.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I don't think that Christians would consider themselves homophobes, I think they just merely believe homosexuality (not identifying as one, but acting out homosexual sex acts) are sinful, and they just stand by that. As a community, I don't think Christians shun homosexuals, but many Christians do, and that's really on them, not on the faith as a whole.

And what would you say to Christians who identify both as Christian and as homosexual and as non-sinning? There are lots of them. And there are many (consider the United Church of Canada, one of our largest denominations), who agree they are perfectly right to consider themselves so.

And I ask again (as I have over and over and over again), what the heck is wrong with actually learning that human sexuality is fluid, generally non-chosen (and therefore non-sinful)?

Maybe the real question ought to be: "is science, learning about human nature, controverting God's rules, or do those rules, having been conceived in the absence of any ability to do science, actually demand that humans should STOP BEING HUMAN AND BECOME GOD?"

For the record, this is one of things that I really despise about a lot of religion -- its (often) pious denial of what is manifestly true in deference to scriptural naivety.

 

[Deidre]

And what would you say to Christians who identify both as Christian and as homosexual and as non-sinning? There are lots of them. And there are many (consider the United Church of Canada, one of our largest denominations), who agree they are perfectly right to consider themselves so.

And I ask again (as I have over and over and over again), what the heck is wrong with actually learning that human sexuality is fluid, generally non-chosen (and therefore non-sinful)?

Maybe the real question ought to be: "is science, learning about human nature, controverting God's rules, or do those rules, having been conceived in the absence of any ability to do science, actually demand that humans should STOP BEING HUMAN AND BECOME GOD?"

For the record, this is one of things that I really despise about a lot of religion -- its (often) pious denial of what is manifestly true in deference to scriptural naivety.

Why are you angry with me? I'm not a practicing Christian or homophobic. I'm explaining that some Christians simply don't see their bigotry because it's condoned in the Bible, but disguised as something else.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Why are you angry with me? I'm not a practicing Christian or homophobic. I'm explaining that some Christians simply don't see their bigotry because it's condoned in the Bible, but disguised as something else.

I'm sorry you felt I was angry with you -- certainly I am not. On the other hand, what you expressed in your post (whichever side you were on) needed to be addressed. I typically read the words in posts, without giving much thought to who wrote them. The words are, in the end, the matter at hand.

 

[Faithofchristian]

It's all to funny how people speak, but doesn't have one clue about the democratic party, Back in 1993 when bill clinton the two face hypocrite, When he was running for president, he go out to California and tell the gay community that he is all for them and then leave California and go to the East coast and tell them he's against gay rights, This just goes to show how far the democratic party will go for a vote.

Bill clinton, Not realizing that some news media were honest even back then to bring this all out.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Nonsense. Not everyone shares your religious views of partisan politics.
One of the things I have noticed in my several decades here in the USA is the shift in Christian's ethics. Away from the primitive beliefs of ancient people and towards the more sophisticated ethics of modern beliefs.
Sometimes the intellectual contortions that they go through to retrofit their beliefs into Scripture are amusing to me, like the women's rights and racial equality and such that just can't be found in the Bible.
Abortion is another one. There is no Scriptural reason to condemn feticide, if the parents (especially the father) want to terminate a pregnancy.

It's not the Democratic party, it's the people who identify as Christian that are changing.
Tom

You have to be the most hilarious funniest person there is. You like alot of others, will say things that you consider not to be in the bible, But everything you said can be found right there in the bible.

Don't come to me and ask me where in the bible, You spoke it, and come across like you know, So go figure it out,

 

[Grandliseur]

Yeah. There is no way to show that such behavior is condoned by Jesus, but rather plenty of passages to show the opposite.
And your "a-derrière," the a- part means without or lacking, so basically your last sentence means you kick in "without an ***" to get over the brink.

Well, a little wicked humor goes a long way at times.

I actually have a bad habit of trying to assist all who need help, atheist or otherwise. I don't even mind helping a stranger at times with a drink if they are out of change and are hot and thirsty.

 

[allright]

In the true church of Jesus Crist
Any sex outside marriage is sin heterosexual or homosexual
Marriage is between a man and a woman
Anyone teaching otherwise has renounced Jesus and is no longer a Christian assuming he ever was one

 

[columbus]

In the true church of Jesus Crist
Any sex outside marriage is sin heterosexual or homosexual
Marriage is between a man and a woman
Anyone teaching otherwise has renounced Jesus and is no longer a Christian assuming he ever was one

Luckily, Almighty God doesn't feel constrained by your opinion.
Tom

 

[McBell]

In the true church of Jesus Crist
Any sex outside marriage is sin heterosexual or homosexual
Marriage is between a man and a woman
Anyone teaching otherwise has renounced Jesus and is no longer a Christian assuming he ever was one

Sources please.

And I mean specific verses

 

[Muffled]

Can Christianity move beyond its inherent homophobia? And if it can't will it survive the growing social acceptance of the LGBTQ community?

*** In this context homophobia should be viewed as prejudice towards the LGBTQ community.


***EDIT to help avoid the confusion I can already see setting in:

Just to clarify a bit:

The fact that some have been able to move beyond the homophobia does not mean the whole will. It does suggest the possibility, which is what the inquiry of the OP is about. I know some of you feel the need to ride in on a white horse to defend Christianity, but such religions are very much a hot spot for homophobia, likely because of their teachings and the question is: Can Christianity move beyond this limitation?

I believe Christianity cannot and will not change reality.

I believe those who have faith in God will survive and so will Christianity with them.

I believe I call those apostates. They may still call themselves Christian but they have left the faith.

I believe it has always been a limiting factor. Unrepentant sinners avoid churches like the plague.

 

[Muffled]

Or just putting the verses into context and seeing what they actually say.

I believe we know what the verses say andattempts to abuse scripture to make it say otherwise are not really attempts at being contextual.

 

[Muffled]

Well, I left Christianity for a few reasons, one being that the Bible breeds a lot of hatred and bigotry. While I do understand why people believe what they believe, I know what the Bible teaches, it still (in my opinion) is wrong to tell people that they may not be in heaven because of sin. Any sin. To me, if the Bible has any meaning at all, it is to guide the person reading it...not for that person to turn into a mini-Jesus, and start chastising and condemning people who are in sin. Unless of course, they are sinless? Hmmm.

I believe I read the same Bible and find love and acceptance. Maybe it is a personal reaction or in my case it is receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior that changed my attitudes.

I believe that is what God planned from the beginning of the coming of Jesus.

I believe we have to reiterate or maybe you have never seen it. We chastise and condemn the sin and not the siner. We call the sinner to repentance.

I believe I am close enough for God's purposes.

 

[Deidre]

I believe I read the same Bible and find love and acceptance. Maybe it is a personal reaction or in my case it is receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior that changed my attitudes.

I believe that is what God planned from the beginning of the coming of Jesus.

I believe we have to reiterate or maybe you have never seen it. We chastise and condemn the sin and not the siner. We call the sinner to repentance.

I believe I am close enough for God's purposes.

That message of love wasn't clear though until the NT. The OT seems to be filled with a different message even though I realize that it was a foreshadowing of the NT. What are your thoughts to that? I'm in the process of rereading the Bible for my own knowledge so I will see what I learn this time.

 

[DavidFirth]

Case in point.

I'm not racist. I think I have made that very clear in spite of your uncalled for demeaning retorts.

 

[McBell]

Homosexuality is a sin.

Says you.
But then, you continuously present your opinion as though it is fact..
Then demonstrate you do not know the difference between opinion and fact.

That will never change,

Sin is merely going against the will/wishes of your chosen deity.
Like it or not, there are deities who are not against homosexuality.

the Bible cannot be changed.

ROTFLMAO
how many different versions are there of the Bible?
You do understand that "version" means different, right?

We love and welcome all but we will never accept sin nor will we ever give sin our approval since God hates sin.

Who is this "we" you claim to speak for?