Can drugs be used for religious experiences?

[Valjean]

While alteration of consciousness is anathema to most Middle-Eastern religions, it is the sine qua non of many Eastern ones. While traditionalists may object to pharmaceutical shortcuts, hallucinogens do appear to induce true mystical experiences in some cases.

If you do choose to try a pharmaceutical approach, though, I'd advise against mushrooms.

Mushrooms are a complete crapshoot -- you don't even know what species you're getting, let alone their pharmacologic properties. The numerous hallucinogenically active compounds in mushrooms are not metabolically active, they're insecticides, and their levels can vary from barely detectable to overwhelming -- in fungi growing only a meter apart. The same applies to other, purely toxic compounds, which mushrooms are notorious for.

 

[anami]

Laws are laws, it's unfortunate they don't update them more often to become more relevent. Has your religion been using LSD for quite some time?

It is more than unfourtunate. as laws themselves are designed to serve and protect the people, paternalistics laws would technically be illegal themselves. Therefore i disregard them.

My religion has used spiritual tools for quite sometime, although LSD has only been around for about fifty years.

 

[anami]

I'm not entirely sure. I've been pondering this for some time myself.

The thing is, drugs often temporarily alter brain chemistry and open up unused areas in our mind for short periods of time, seeing how we only use 10 percent of our brain's capacity. At least this is what I'm told. This access is unstable and can lead to damage. For that reason I'd be wary.:tsk:

Furthering evolution by acessing more has been done for centuries, at somepoint it becomes less damaging and more necessary.

However, for many religions the practice of using these drugs is a serious matter. They are used, responsibly and to great effect. I myself am one eighth Cherokee, and my best friend is one fourth some tribe whos name I constantly find hard to memorize or pronounce. His father and I have talked on this. He is a very active participant in his tribe (even sporting a quite, if I may say so, intimidating mohawk ) and he tells me that he has seen such things used to great effect by members of his tribe.

i agree, thse are not toys.
Utilizing spiritual tools is a serious matter. Such as serious goes
:biglaugh:
And if you need it for somesort of verification i can mention that,i too am Cherokee. And have seen asounding uses of spiritual tools.

 

[anami]

That Salvia is expensive. Has anyone tried it to know if it works, or if the site is a fraud?

i don't know about the site.

Salvia is not relativly expensive.

i have tried a few types. Salvia is a leaf. i have only smoked it, not chewed it, so i do not know of the effects of chewing fresh leaf.

When Salvia is dried for smoking it is adjusted to increase the key ingreadients. This is done by doing an extraction of the leaf and then an imersion of leaf in the extracted salvia. This is then dried and smoked.

i have smoked 5X or extraction, this is a slight highetening of the awareness of the bioenergetic body. This manefests in differrent physical ways for evryone.

The other i have had is 30X, this is a whole other ball game on a another planet in another galaxy.
Pause for a moment to give thanks and appriciation to the Salvia shaman.
Not a person to me but the actual wise plant, Salvia Divinorum.
This will take you out of your body and put you down somewhere else.
This lasts only three minuetes in "reality" but can be an inteterminate amount of time, where you "go" as time is conceptually nonexistant.

i Highly reccomend this be done in an empty room or "safe" place outside.
Minimize sound movement people smells, etc.
You should have a sober babysitter, but not a group of people.

THIS IS NOT A PARTY DRUG!!!!!!
For that try the 5X.

Salvia is legal and is very accessable, if anyone is interrested i will find some sources real quick.

 

[Druidus]

Salvia? Expensive? I believe it was forty U.S. dollars for enough Salvia to get 12-20 uses!

That's not expensive, my friend.

I haven't had Salvia in forever. You see, I can't buy it, I have no credit card or PayPal, and I am under eighteen. No one up here would buy it for me, even if I was to pay them back. So I must wait another two years.

As has been said, Salvia is not a party drug. Only serious users should attempt to utilize the visionary effects of Salvia.