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Can every sin be forgiven?

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
A person would have to commit the unforgivable sin - Matthew 12:32 - in order to Not be forgiven.
Those of Hebrews 6:4-6 have reached that unforgivable point of No return.
ALL who have Not committed the sin of Luke 12:10 can return to the flock through sincere repenting - 2 Corinthians 2:6-8
Those who commit the unforgivable sin are like those who draw back, or shrink back to perdition or destruction - Hebrews 10:38-39
What does Matthew 24:13 say ?

The unforgivable sin must be rejecting Christ as Savior, since Jesus indicates in the Matthew and Mark blasphemy passages that there is no other unforgivable error.

Therefore, if you trust in Jesus, and then backslide, you have not committed the unforgivable sin (not trusting). For your theology to take effect, there must two unforgivable sins, not trusting in Jesus when prompted and losing trust in Jesus after having trusted. The problem is if you are right that every person who rejects the first witness they receive can never be saved. The truth is, many people hear the gospel quite a few times before they trust. To live an entire life without trusting Jesus is to be lost.

Period.
 

ronandcarol

Member
Premium Member
in regards to;
Can every sin be forgiven?
I believe that if you refuse the Holy Spirit, as in Matthew 12:31-32, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." is you yourself asking to spend eternity away from God! It is your choice not His action that will send you to eternal darkness. God has unending love for everyone, He wants you in heaven with Him, not in hell because you choose to not follow and love Him. It states in 1 John 1:9, 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. He is a God of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ................, chances, He wants you to turn, repent, and follow Him. All is a very inclusive word! If you are cleansed of All unrighteousness, wouldn't you than be righteous? He is not looking for ways to keep us out of heaven, He is offering us a free path into heaven. That free path is through faith and trust in His one and only Son, who came into the world He himself created, to save sinners.

ronandcarol
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
We read in:
- Luke 7;47 - "Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven--as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little."
- Matthew 12;31-32 - "And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

Does this mean that some sins are unforgivable? Why does God forgive more or less?
Can ya lose the chance for salvation?
I believe some sin is unforgivable, as Matthew 12:31-32 says. If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.”—Hebrews 10:26. The malicious and willful practicing of sin may cause a person to pass a point of no return. I believe only Jehovah can determine when someone commits such sin; the unrepentant and defiant opposing of God's holy spirit. Some of the religious leaders of Jesus day denied the evident demonstration of God's spirit operating in Jesus. They attributed his miracles to Satan while knowing full well the true Source of Jesus works was Jehovah's spirit.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Yes, the sin of Matthew 12:32 ; Hebrews 6:4-6 is Not forgivable.

However, there should be No debating about going to hell.
Can you think of anyone righteous who died and went to hell ?______
The day Jesus' died Jesus went to the Bible's hell or grave. - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Jesus taught: sleep in death - John 11:11-14
The old Hebrew Scriptures also teach: sleep in death - Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, ' biblical hell ' is just the temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead until they are resurrected - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
In a nut shell, what happens to the wicked is that they will be: destroyed forever ( annihilated ) - Psalms 92:7.
Biblical hell ends up empty before temporary biblical hell ends up in a symbolic ' second death '- Revelation 20:13-14
After everyone in hell is ' delivered up ' (resurrected ) out of the Bible's temporary hell or grave, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that ' second death ' for vacated hell.
Jesus will destroy Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B
Satan ends up in ' second death ' - Revelation 21:8
So, it is ' second death ' that is a fitting term for the destruction of the wicked - Psalms 92:7 - including for Satan.
We are Not given the choice of: repent or hell, but the choice of: repent or perish ( be destroyed ) - 2 Peter 3:9 B.
Because everyone who goes to hell, which is just about everyone (according to Ecclesiastes 9:10), will be given life again, having a second chance without any wicked influence. (John 5:28-29) If they still don't want to wizen up and do good, then they're thrown into the Lake of Fire, aka the second death, aka Gehenna.

Great post, URAVIP!
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Because everyone who goes to hell, which is just about everyone (according to Ecclesiastes 9:10), will be given life again, having a second chance without any wicked influence. (John 5:28-29) If they still don't want to wizen up and do good, then they're thrown into the Lake of Fire, aka the second death, aka Gehenna.
Great post, URAVIP!

Thank you for your reply regarding post # 15. When KJV translated Gehenna (garbage pit) as hell fire, then people did Not realize that there is No fire in biblical hell, and that Gehenna being a garbage pit simply stands for the destruction of things, and Not things kept burning forever, or as Psalms 92:7 brings to our attention the wicked will be destroyed forever.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
in regards to;
Can every sin be forgiven?
I believe that if you refuse the Holy Spirit, as in Matthew 12:31-32, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." is you yourself asking to spend eternity away from God! It is your choice not His action that will send you to eternal darkness. God has unending love for everyone, He wants you in heaven with Him, not in hell because you choose to not follow and love Him. It states in 1 John 1:9, 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. He is a God of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, ................, chances, He wants you to turn, repent, and follow Him. All is a very inclusive word! If you are cleansed of All unrighteousness, wouldn't you than be righteous? He is not looking for ways to keep us out of heaven, He is offering us a free path into heaven. That free path is through faith and trust in His one and only Son, who came into the world He himself created, to save sinners.
ronandcarol

Yes, agree 'save sinners', however isn't it sinners who are ' repentant sinners ' _______- 2 Peter 3:9.
What hope is there for those of Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26 ?
Unrepentant sinners (who use up their 2nd 3rd 4th, etc. chances ) end up ' perished ' (aka destroyed) as the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22
Isn't 'perish' and 'destroyed' more than just eternal darkness?
Doesn't even sinner Satan end up destroyed by Jesus according to Hebrews 2:14 B ?________
Those or all people who are left standing at the end of Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth will be cleaned of all unrighteousness by that time.
In other words, besides heaven for some (Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:6), Jesus also promised the humble meek will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:10-11; Proverbs 2:21-22
That Matthew 5:5 promise is in connection to God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18 - Blessed with healing benefits for those on Earth - Revelation 22:2 - when righteous mankind will will enjoy a paradisical Earth forever - Isaiah 35
Mankind on Earth will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for all living on Earth - Revelation 22:2
As far as biblical hell is concerned, according to Scripture, after everyone in the temporary Bible's hell (aka grave) is ' delivered up' (KJV) meaning resurrected out of hell by Jesus - Revelation 1:18 - then, empted-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death ' for vacated hell - Revelation 20:13-14.
Since there will be No more Hell, then there will be those who rule in Heaven - Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 2:10, and the humble meek who will inherit the Earth under Christ - Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Thank you for your reply regarding post # 15. When KJV translated Gehenna (garbage pit) as hell fire, then people did Not realize that there is No fire in biblical hell, and that Gehenna being a garbage pit simply stands for the destruction of things, and Not things kept burning forever, or as Psalms 92:7 brings to our attention the wicked will be destroyed forever.
Yes, leave it to Christendom to warp the meaning beyond all recognition to the truth! Christendom's leaders, at least the outright liars, deserve everything coming to them.
 

Spideymon77

A Smiling Empty Soul
I think it depends on how you feel on the inside. If you killed someone and have felt really guilty for the crime, you'd be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness. If you killed someone and are happy about it, you will not be forgiven even if you ask for it.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is simply the wilful and obstinate rejection of God until the very end. It's unforgivable, by nature of the fact that refusal of God, is the refusal of reconciliation with God.

Have you considered the following verses?

Matthew 12:22-32 (ESV Strong's) 22 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.” 25 Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can someone enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house. 30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Blasphemy - g0988. βλασφημία blasphēmia; from 989; vilification (especially against God): — blasphemy, evil speaking, railing. AV (19) - blasphemy 16, railing 2, evil speaking 1; slander, detraction, speech injurious, to another's good nameimpious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majesty.

How do you get "wilful and obstinate rejection of God until the very end"?

Jesus said, "but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. "

Blasphemy is not rejecting God, it's speaking evil against, or vilifying the Holy Spirit.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Jesus taught: sleep in death - John 11:11-14

Then we have Jesus contradicting His teachings, don't we!

Luke 8:51-53 (ESV Strong's) 51 And when he came to the house, he allowed no one to enter with him, except Peter and John and James, and the father and mother of the child. 52 And all were weeping and mourning for her, but he said, “Do not weep, for she is not dead but sleeping.” 53 And they laughed at him, knowing that she was dead.

Jesus made a distinction between death and sleep in Luke. He said, "she is NOT dead, but sleeping". So she wasn't "dead", just sleeping.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Then we have Jesus contradicting His teachings, don't we!
Luke 8:51-53 (ESV Strong's) 51 And when he came to the house, he allowed no one to enter with him, except Peter and John and James, and the father and mother of the child. 52 And all were weeping and mourning for her, but he said, “Do not weep, for she is not dead but sleeping.” 53 And they laughed at him, knowing that she was dead.
Jesus made a distinction between death and sleep in Luke. He said, "she is NOT dead, but sleeping". So she wasn't "dead", just sleeping.

Was the dead girl really just sleeping?
Why did you start at verse 51 when the account begins at Luke 8:41-43 through Luke 8:44-46; Luke 8:47-49; Luke 8:50-52; Luke 8:53-55 and ends at Luke 8:56?
Doesn't Luke 8:49 already make it plain that Jairus' daughter is: dead ?_______
Would Jesus' ability be needed to wake up anyone from a literal sleep ?_______
Also, surely the 4-day dead friend of Jesus at John 11:12-14 was Not literally sleeping but dead and buried.
So, where is the contradiction ?
 

Thanda

Well-Known Member
It must be remembered that according the Saviour one of the purposes of the Holy Ghost is to "reprove the world of sin". So if a man rejects the Holy Spirit they are rejecting the very thing which would lead them to repentance and back into the fold of God. And if a man never repents, how can he ever be forgiven?
 
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