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Can God be reasoned with?
- Thread starter robo
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Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
If this post is any indicator, he would probably call you a liar.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Of course you can reason with God; but He will always have a more convincing argument. 
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Because you're talking about when, not if.Eh...why?
Of course you can reason with God; but He will always have a more convincing argument.
More convincing according to whom?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
You. God has all the knowledge in the world to leverage, after all.
Sure...but my argument is very simple.
I have found no evidence of his existence [especially via the big "holy books" - Quran, OT/NT, etc.] Which piece of evidence would God say I misinterpreted?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
I don't know; I am not God.
I think God would say.......I don't care if you believed in me. Lets talk about your heart and how you lead your life.
Why should it care?
"It" meaning God?
I thought God was reasonable and omnibenevolent?
I agree I am puny/irrelevant to a God that created the universe, multiverse, has been existing since eternity, can create something from nothing, etc. though.
Vadergirl123
Active Member
When you say reason do you mean your trying to explain to him why he should let you into heaven? If so I doubt he'll believe you even "tried that hard" to believe in him, and you won't be able to "reason with him." And if you end up talking with him then you'll know he exists, and any argument you make would look a little silly.
InChrist
Free4ever
I don’t think there will be any legitimate excuses.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse…Romans 1;20
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Hebrews 4:13
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse…Romans 1;20
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Hebrews 4:13
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But why will he not believe what I tell him I tried hard? I am dead serious when I say I see no proof of the Abrahamic God (assuming you are batting for him).
Ya..but the first-cause argument has been quite thoroughly rebutted on many logical grounds. Does your God expect that its followers should suspend logic and believe in him against logic?
Vadergirl123
Active Member
Because he gave us his word(the bible) which tells us about him. I mean are you just going to tell him that you chose not to believe it? What type of "proof" would you want?
Proof would be direct perception - something that impinges on the senses.
YOU say his word is the Bible. Muslims say his word is the Quran. Hindus say his word is the Veda, etc.
Which is his word?
Can I for instance tell your God this on the Day of Judgement:
robo to the Christian God said:
InChrist
Free4ever
Personally, I believe the laws of logic originate from God and are evidence of His existence. So no, I dont think He wants us to set reason and logic aside, nor I think the first-cause argument has been fully refuted.