Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Isn't that what I just said?
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Can god commit suicide?
- Thread starter Lisa S
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Isn't that what I just said?
Yea, well Pliny the Elder made many erroneous statements.
Although the invisible singularity who is the essential divine reality of the universe from which all being originated and to who all must return, is revealed as the eternal oscillating universe and the compilation of all that exists and the ultimate God: there are many Gods within the eternal.
Our God is seen in Psalms 82: 1; ‘God presides in the heavenly council, in the assembly of the gods he gives his decisions: etc’. Although our Lord God is immortal and cannot die, he can cease to be. When the time is right and the required number of Jews and Gentiles are gathered at the second Temple of Glorious Light, (The first temple of God being the body of mankind in whose inner most sanctuary he now dwells), the only man to have ever been anointed before the presence of God and to have been given eternal life and who is the living ancestral spirit in the post flood body of mankind, will descend into his dead past and enter the first Temple where he will be treated with outrage and hung upon a tree, and when the veil of that temple is torn, the immortal spirit of our father and saviour, will be torn asunder and poured out as fire on the ancient ancestors of the required number of Jews and gentiles who will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule the Sabbath, The Lords Day, the seventh period of one thousand years from the day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930.
All those who will receive a share of the immortal body of our lord, when he descends through time and ceases to be, will not die, but in the invisible kingdom that co-exists within this physical world, there they will gather to themselves all the spirits of good people who fall asleep in righteousness until they have gathered the required number whose blood is able to redeem one of their descendant of two thousand years in the future, as did Enoch who at the age of 365 was carried to the very throne of God where he was stripped of his physical garment and anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God which shone with the brilliance of the sun and he became as one of the glorious creatures that surrounded the throne of God.
Our God can and will give his immortal life for us, whose ancestors will receive a piece of the hidden Manna, a little tongue of fire, a share of the immortal being who is Lord of spirits and Lord of Mankind.
Enoch was the cornerstone to which all the spirits of good people who had died in righteousness were gathered in the ascention to the end of all things by the evolving spirit in the body of mankind. But the glorious simulacrum of brilliant light that is born from the dying body of mankind, is not Enoch, of whom Abraham was one, and it was to the spirit within Abraham that the righteous spirits were gathered until the day of Jesus, when the glorious heavenly simulacrum (Blueprint of the new being that comes from man) began to die in the process of involution, releasing from his eternal being, from the least to the greatest, all the spirits of which he was the compilation.
Enoch the living ancestral Father spirit, was the first and the least in the heavenly Simulacrum of the Son of Man, to whom, in the body of Abraham, all the righteous spirits had been gathered, was the first to be released from the immortal being which is born of the body of mankind. Enoch, the compilation of the required number of spirits whose blood would be the ransom price for the man Jesus, himself then gave his life, by releasing from the least to the greatest of the righteous spirits of which he was the compilation, himself diminishing into nothingness in the process of involution, while Jesus evolved and grew in wisdom, knowledge and insight with the awakening of each of his ancestoral spirits, until Enoch, the compilation of those righteous spirits was Jesus who had died to who he was to become Enoch.
Jesus/Enoch (For the first shall be last and the last shall be first) was then placed on the throne of the most high in the creation, (Lucifer the light bearer, the first born Son of God) who was then torn asunder and poured out as fire on all those who believed his words as spoken through his servant Enoch/Jesus the cornerstone to the new temple of God which will dwell on earth and gain dominion over all life forms that preceded him, as did mankind who is currently the most high in the creation and Lord of Creatures and the prototype of the Lord of Spirits that is born of man, for as Paul says, If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body, but it is the physical that comes first. As Enoch, after two thousand years in the valley of man, chose Jesus as his heir and died in Jesus that he might be born again on earth, so will those who, two thousand years ago, will receive a share of the immortal being when our saviour who is our Father and our Son, descends to die for the salvation of the body in which he developed his great wisdom, knowledge and insight.
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simplytruth
New Member
Hello Lisa S,
Post #1:
"The chief consolation for Nature's shortcomings in regard to man is that not even God can do all things. For he cannot, even if he should so wish, commit suicide, which is the greatest advantage he has given man among all the great drawbacks of life" -Pliny the Elder
Thoughts?
ST: I tell you truly, the "Elder" has erred in his thinking.
For in Life...there is no "Death". Just as in Truth, there
is no "Lie". The world believes the Lie, and it leads unto
Death. But whosoever believes Truth, shall not see Death,
but are led unto Life Eternal.
My Father remains with the Dead unto the "end", that He
may be with them even in "Death". For those whom He
loves...He shall never abandon nor forsake.
And whosoever amongst the Dead, should love Him, and hear
the one whom He has sent...he shall rise up unto eternal life.
Truth Life & Love
simplytruth
Post #1:
"The chief consolation for Nature's shortcomings in regard to man is that not even God can do all things. For he cannot, even if he should so wish, commit suicide, which is the greatest advantage he has given man among all the great drawbacks of life" -Pliny the Elder
Thoughts?
ST: I tell you truly, the "Elder" has erred in his thinking.
For in Life...there is no "Death". Just as in Truth, there
is no "Lie". The world believes the Lie, and it leads unto
Death. But whosoever believes Truth, shall not see Death,
but are led unto Life Eternal.
My Father remains with the Dead unto the "end", that He
may be with them even in "Death". For those whom He
loves...He shall never abandon nor forsake.
And whosoever amongst the Dead, should love Him, and hear
the one whom He has sent...he shall rise up unto eternal life.
Truth Life & Love
simplytruth
ManTimeForgot
Temporally Challenged
You did it was just the difference between the scientific and the mystical perspectives.
As far as the thread goes: "God" (with a capital G) committing suicide is nonsensical. I'm sure its possible in some way that our mind is incapable of understanding, but the answer is just as irrelevant as the question.
Can a "god" commit suicide? Sure, why not? Unless there is some kind of divine law/mandate or failure of will/conception (like can't understand the idea of suicide)...
MTF
ThisisZAK
Member
From the Christian perspective, the answer is a definite yes. Jesus Christ basically did that in allowing himself to be crucified, and giving up his spirit long before any normal person would have died from crucifixion. He wouldn't have died until he allowed it to happen. From any religion's perspective, one basically must decide what one's definition of "omnipotence" is. To me, it means that all things are possible to whichever God/gods/goddesses you are applying the term to.
As has been said, however, what would the reason be to do such a thing? Some greater purpose, I suppose, that we can't comprehend. I really hope it doesn't happen very soon, though.
Ok, If I understand well so omnipotence means that God can do everything anything! right? so can God create a rock that even himself can't pull it up?
And further, you agree that God is uncreated? right? so can God created another uncreated God?
And finally, one of the attributes of God (in Christianity as well as in Islam) is that He is eternal! right?
So how Jesus being God (eternal) could have been killed? (voluntary or not it doesn't matter)... doesn't death alter the eternalness of God?
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
The problem with this thread is that we are defining an infinite being with finite terms. Suicide is defined and bound by our understanding of life.
Is someone here claiming that they understand what life means to an infinite God, and that suicide actually pertains or related to anything that is eternal?
You have to make MANY assumptions other than God is real, to really tackle your question. Maybe you can start over by define what God is to you.
Suicide only means something to us because we die. Do you see how this is irrelevant?
CarlinKnew pointed out the existence is a better word than suicide, but even if we use that word we are still declaring we know what existence is. Again we can only play childish games with the word existence as pertaining to an infinite God.
Is someone here claiming that they understand what life means to an infinite God, and that suicide actually pertains or related to anything that is eternal?
You have to make MANY assumptions other than God is real, to really tackle your question. Maybe you can start over by define what God is to you.
Suicide only means something to us because we die. Do you see how this is irrelevant?
CarlinKnew pointed out the existence is a better word than suicide, but even if we use that word we are still declaring we know what existence is. Again we can only play childish games with the word existence as pertaining to an infinite God.
ThisisZAK
Member
According to you, the whole Christianity is irrelevent! because once more, Christianity has nothing to offer to Mankind except that Jesus (God) came to die (voluntarily ie: suicide) for Mankind...
Nough said!:yes:
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Thanks for judging me.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
I would say the problem is that you are defining god has a infinite being. Who's to say that god is infinite?
ThisisZAK
Member
No, I didn't judge you! and please excuse me if my post appeared like I did:sorry1:
I just wanted to clarify the point in light of your logic!
AlsoAnima
Friend
Uhm. No? Yes? Maybe?
There's so many technical issues that go into it. Like the the qualifications for life...
AlsoAnima
Friend
It's in the job description, right next to 'perfect'. However "belief in humans" is strangely absent.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Really? Is it? Who says that it's in the job description? Because some man 2000 year ago wrote it in a book he clams to be about god?It's in the job description, right next to 'perfect'. However "belief in humans" is strangely absent.
AlsoAnima
Friend
Immortality is one of those God traits. Something that isn't immortal, also isn't a god.
ThisisZAK
Member
And Jesus actually died, at least three days... did your argument apply also on him?:yes:
AlsoAnima
Friend
Jesus' human body died. Not his immortal spirit.
ThisisZAK
Member
Ok, then all Mankind are immortals! why do I say that?
Because Death is widely defined by the departing of the spirit from the body!
ie when I or you will die (hope that this will be after a long time), our spirits depart from our bodies... but spirit actually can't die! the body can die though.
Make sens?
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Right so you think it's right to impose on other peoples gods what you believe a god has to be. So I guess the Greek gods aren't gods before they can die and fear death, I guess the Egyptian gods then aren't gods? What about the Aesir, are they not gods because they don't fit you narrow view of what a god must be?
So I guess all of us that believe that are gods can die are just wrong and misguided?